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Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by Anonymous
1/27/2006  9:36:00 PM
"Now as to that silly generalization about dancers in the U.S.A... I should point out that my standard teacher, who was born, raised, and trained in the UK, was there to supervise our dancing on the day of the shoot."

The devil is in the details, details of a level so basic that they cannot productively be commented on when there isn't a month or two of time available to experment with them before the critical peformance. If you listen to the things that leading English coaches repeatedly try to change when brought over to teach top students, and then compare that to the conflicting beliefs of most non-English competitors, it's clear which tradition these clips illustrate. It's not that the English students are better, it's just that they get pushed on these things day in and day out for a decade or so before it sinks in, wheras the rest of us hear it only every few months, or worse, get a second or third hand version.
Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by Waltz123
1/27/2006  10:17:00 PM
Interesting. What makes you assume we spent only a month or two learning standard?
Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by Dave
1/28/2006  6:34:00 AM
Thanks to Foxky I think I finaly understand the foxtrot timing. You mignt say that the timing is (RF)slow,(LF)q,(RF)q, which would be correct if you could move your (RF) with your (RF) but since you have to use your standing leg the (LF) then the correct timing is (LF)slow-O,(RF)q,(LF)q. The (RF) the one that drifts outside partner does not enter the equation untill you put your weigt on it and then it becomes the slow of the next step. Foxy when looking at the feet on a vidio you are looking at the wrong feet thats why you get qqs.
Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by Anonymous
1/28/2006  8:14:00 AM
"Interesting. What makes you assume we spent only a month or two learning standard?"

Not the assumption at all.

What makes you assume having your coach present at the recording insures that it represents any particular style?

The differences I see between this classically american interpretation and the English style are not things that could be changed by a few comments before a video shoot, so a teacher would not mention them at that time. They are the kinds of changes to fundamental methods that would require several months of experimentation to achieve that specific goal - even when the teachers do ask for them, they have to ask over and over because most skilled US dancers either will not change, or quickly change back to what is comfortable and has achieved their competition results so far.
Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by Foxy
1/28/2006  4:19:00 PM
Dave ,you raise a good pointaboutg the standing leg. Johnathan I am sorry I started this discusion. It's only because this is such a great website and showing the figures from three positions is excellent ,that I wanted to ensure that it continues to have the respect that it deserves by making sure that international style is of the same quality as the rest of your teaching vidios . Thanks to you Many people from arround the world are learning from this website so we have to get it right. Not that I am in the position to say what is and what is not right. Foxy as in foxtrot not as in sly.
Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by Dave
1/28/2006  5:09:00 PM
Annon. You may be right to say that a step starts from along side the other foot. This is not so when walking,yes we start with feet together but once the body is in motion a step is the swing of the whole foot and not two half swings to make a whole.
Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by quickstep
1/28/2006  5:16:00 PM
In the Foxtrot whilst training we are encouraged to spend time stopping on every fourth beat on our toes. Whilst in that freeze mode we are told to consentrate on where our balanced point is. Is it on the front foot or the back foot or split weight. You will very soon find out. Waltz the same on every third. This time a Basic feet together, do we still have the correct balance and posture.It's a bit like the Karate Master who put a student into a position and said."Study that position so you can make it anytime and everytime", in two hours I will show you how to come out" ..
Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by Dave
1/29/2006  5:35:00 AM
Quickstep. We were not taught that way but I will give it a try and see how it feels. The problem with that method is that it may have the student staying up in the air to long. We should be down longer than we are up. We should be up only as long as the drift allows, therefore the size of the last step can vary.
Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by Anonymous
1/29/2006  7:11:00 AM
In waltz you basically can stop at the top of the rise without altering the technique because you very nearly do so when ordinarily dancing, but in foxtrot you must alter the technique to stop at the top of the rise. Not as much as you would have to alter it to stop at the bottom though!

A setp in the swing dances is defined as two half (leg) swings, yes - but a step in the swing dances can essentially never stand on its own - it must be preceded and followed by movement (unless its a decorative little trick not using the characteristic movement technique). Even if you were to stop at the peak of rise in waltz, you are not stopping between steps but actually within the 3rd step, so it must still have a preceding action and a following one - when you get around to finishing it.
Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by Dave
1/29/2006  8:38:00 AM
Annon. Thanks again,this takes some serious thinking. I have a feeling that the timing of a step starts from the rise for example , we might start saying (one) when we are up on three if we don't want to use the (&).

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