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Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by Anonymous
2/1/2006  5:39:00 AM
Jonathan, you gotta stop moving your feet before you body or you will always be identified as American or European in style and not English
Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by Anonymous
2/1/2006  5:41:00 AM
In terms of having the coach present, if he wasn't able to communicate this concept in the past, then having him present on the day of the shoot is not likely to fundamentally change anything. The dancing displayed remains what you are comfortable with - higher or lower in quality due to day-of factors, but fundamentally your style. Which is not the Slow English Foxtrot.
Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by cdroge
2/1/2006  6:22:00 AM
Anon. I should,will point out that the Italians have been beating the pants of the Brits for a while now. It seems to me that the Brits can't think out of the box when it comes to dancing, but then I'm just a Brit.
Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by suomynona
2/1/2006  7:19:00 AM
"Anon. I should,will point out that the Italians have been beating the pants of the Brits for a while now. It seems to me that the Brits can't think out of the box when it comes to dancing, but then I'm just a Brit. "

- Some of the italians dance more classically british than some of the brits. The color of your passport doesn't matter, who you study with does.

- Sometimes the judges, even at Blackpool, have to pick a couple that does not use the classic technique because they are simply doing a better job than the couples who are.

- For the classic techniques to produce a result that is better to all eyes, you have to get everything else nearly right too. However if you look at stills or have really good eyes for watching live dancing, you can easily see the distortions caused by some popular deviations from the classic technique, such as this eager feet trend.
Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by cdroge
2/1/2006  1:02:00 PM
Suomy, I have had eager feet for years but after reading that the feet move twice as fast as the body I have been giving my legs time to move (lazy legs). I am amazed at how much I have to slow the body down to do that,but the quality of our dancing has improved considerably and we are hardly working
Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by suomynona
2/1/2006  1:52:00 PM
"Suomy, I have had eager feet for years but after reading that the feet move twice as fast as the body I have been giving my legs time to move (lazy legs). I am amazed at how much I have to slow the body down to do that,but the quality of our dancing has improved considerably and we are hardly working "

If you are doing what it sounds like your goal is backwards. Unfortunately there are few teachers who really understand this, but the body is always ahead of the legs in the movement. The legs have to move twice as fast (or maybe faster) because they are always behind and trying to catch up. Many students do it the opposite way, they get their legs moving and then their body tries to catch up. Sadly the majority of teachers in the world are still dancing like students in this respect, so of course their students aren't going to get it right either.
Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by cdroge
2/2/2006  4:28:00 AM
Suomy. Our problem was a combination moving the body to quickly and reaching with the free leg in the mistaken believe that we had flight. The point is that the legs need enough time to work properly for example, in the third step of the fox RT to allow the foot to swing back from the knee rather than just trying to swing the whole leg as one unit from the hip. The secret of soft knees "I think" is to allow the lower leg to move the way it does when we walk? Obviously we can't slow the body down to the point where we have no flight and there are also obviouly times when the whole leg totaly relaxed(dangly) will swing from the hip as one unit.
Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by suomynona
2/2/2006  4:54:00 AM
Okay. You're previous post had sounded like you decided you needed to do something worrisome, such as give your free leg time to catch up or move ahead before your body moved, neither of which is necessary or desireable. Sorry I misunderstood you.
Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by cdroge
2/2/2006  6:19:00 AM
Suomy. Thanks for saying sorry,but every time you reply I learn something new so please ,Carry on
Re: Foxtrot as displayed on this site
Posted by quickstep
2/9/2007  2:43:00 AM
Did I understand correctly that some people think that the third step should be on beat one and not beat four.
If that were the case exactly what timing is being used on the first step of the Reverse Turn. Is that on the second beat and now becomes a quick instead of a slow.. And then what happens on the the fourth step. Do we then pick up the normal timing. Why would we leave it in the first place.
Is there some misunderstanding happening here where the four beats are split into eight by some teachers some of the time, mainly to show that at the end of the Feather as an example the count becomes 4 (and ) which is called a balance point, or neutral or a collection point and is not 4 1 it is 4 (and).
On my tape some time is spent explaining that the feet are S Q Q. But the body is dancing Q. Medium .S. The interpretation should be left to the individual,If the judges don't like it then out they go.
It is possible that in a demonstration on one Reverse movement the dancer may arrive a little late. Do they do it on every step. Only an idiot would try to copy that one off and try to make it regular.

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