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Re: To Torque or not to Torque
Posted by Anonymous
11/19/2006  5:21:00 PM
"Anonymous. How can you be off balanced if you are not leaning forward over your feet. If you are not leaning forward then you are not off balanced."

Simply by adopting the position CLEARLY SHOWN in PICTURE TWO of the forwad walk.

The evidence of how to do it is right under your nose.

The body is forward of the standing foot therefore it is off balance.

The body is vertically aligned, therefore it is not leaning.

Not very hard, was it?
Re: To Torque or not to Torque
Posted by Anonymous
11/20/2006  12:08:00 AM
Anonymous. You have got this crazy idea that unless we have two feet on the floor under our body we are not balanced. Why didn't you write it like that days ago. So that you could be corrected.
Re: To Torque or not to Torque
Posted by Quickstep
11/20/2006  2:45:00 AM
The original Torque thread is lost and has been torqued into oblivion. I can find no use of the word torque in the technique book. I do find the word twist when it said don't do it and that is just once.
To me torque means to turn one part of an object whilst keeping the rest still.
Twist is as a ball of wool or cotten is twisted which usually doesn't happen to a more solid object.
Turn is to turn about our own centre or part of. In Latin it is possible to turn around our own centre or around a centre between two bodies in otherwords we go around each other. In Modern we never do this. We do go around a common centre because the two centres become one
So who was the bright spark who intruduced the words torque and twist into Standard ballroom dancing..
Re: To Torque or not to Torque
Posted by Anonymous
11/20/2006  6:59:00 AM
"I do find the word twist when it said don't do it and that is just once."

I can't find the words "don't do it" or any negative recommendation in the book. What I do find is a recommendation to preferentially emphasize swing - but that is not in any way a prohibition of twist.

"In Latin it is possible to turn around our own centre or around a centre between two bodies in otherwords we go around each other. In Modern we never do this."

Your knowledge of modern is rather limited...

"We do go around a common centre because the two centres become one"

You are making the mistake of trying to combine the travel and the rotation into a single curved action. It doesn't work that way - you have travel, and you also have an indepent rotation superimposed on it. Unlike it the situation of an airplane flying through a slipstream, the rotation and travel of a dancer's body are not physically linked.
Re: To Torque or not to Torque
Posted by Quickstep
11/23/2006  1:16:00 AM
Anonymous. In the Samba we do go around our partners Circular Voltas man turns around the lady to the right, the lady goes leftwards. That is going around our partner which for obvious reasons can't be done in Standard..
On a forward part of any turning figure it is more important to feel a forward swing rather than a conscious twist of the body on the first step. It should be remembered that the first step is the strong step. and from the swing of this step it should be possible to take a wide second step.
You try that if you twist on the first step. Don't blame me . I didn't write the book. How does that affect your Double Reverse Spin.
I was the first to to try to explain what a common centre is. I said that the mans centre is his shirt buttons. The lady the blouse buttons. When we join together we form a different centre which is a common centre.
To get to the main point we do not twist our spine ever. That was the issue. We keep our spine straight not twisted. Go and see Alex.
Re: To Torque or not to Torque
Posted by Anonymous
11/23/2006  7:53:00 AM
"In the Samba we do go around our partners Circular Voltas man turns around the lady to the right, the lady goes leftwards. That is going around our partner which for obvious reasons can't be done in Standard.."

Try fleckerels...

"On a forward part of any turning figure it is more important to feel a forward swing rather than a conscious twist of the body on the first step."

Which is a recomendation to priortize swing, but in no way at all any sort of prohibition of twist!

"You try that if you twist on the first step. Don't blame me ."

Do it all the time... works great, and it is precisely what the teacher asked for.

"How does that affect your Double Reverse Spin."

Already answered that for you... try rereading some of my previous answers to your repeated question.

"To get to the main point we do not twist our spine ever."

you won't be much of a dancer until you discover that we actually do, quite often...
Re: To Torque or not to Torque
Posted by Quickstep
11/23/2006  10:09:00 PM
Anonymous. I'm beginning to beleive that you may be turning into your step at the beginning and not at the end. Like turn at the end of one . Don't turn at the beginning. If you read Alex Moore which you have read, what is he saying when he wrote that the step is forward without a twist of the body.
Re: To Torque or not to Torque
Posted by Anonymous
11/24/2006  7:35:00 PM
"Anonymous. I'm beginning to beleive that you may be turning into your step at the beginning and not at the end. Like turn at the end of one . Don't turn at the beginning."

This is precisely where the twist comes from - you can't turn the topline until the end of one, but you do need to have a hint of turn somewhere at the beginning of one to set up the turn. That somewhere is in your legs and hips - a slight turn there, with none in the top, creates a small but important degress of twist in the body.

"If you read Alex Moore which you have read, what is he saying when he wrote that the step is forward without a twist of the body."

Don't change his words. He did not say "without" twist, he said tha that the swing was more important. And he is right. But that doesn't make the twist unimportant.
Re: To Torque or not to Torque
Posted by Serendipidy
3/31/2008  2:10:00 PM
This is an old one. I think anonymous was getting muddled up with CBM and calling it a twisting of the body..
Re: To Torque or not to Torque
Posted by anymouse
3/31/2008  3:15:00 PM
"This is an old one. I think anonymous was getting muddled up with CBM and calling it a twisting of the body.."

CBM would be twist free if the entire body (well, the trunk) all turned at the same time at the same rate.

That's not what real teachers will ultimately ask you to do. Instead, they will want the turn to manifest at different times and rates in different parts of the body core. Thus, twist.

But this is an advanced concept that's not going to be there in the first presentation to newer students.

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