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Re: Rumba Count
Posted by DennisBeach
3/13/2007  6:39:00 PM
We took lesson at Fred Astaire and you are correct. They taught it QQS.

When they teach it SQQ, do they start the slow on the same beat in the measure as the others do the quick with QQS or do they have you start on a different beat so you are still doing the slow and quicks in the same part of a measure..
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Annie
3/13/2007  7:22:00 PM
Both SQQ and QQS start on the downbeat, so they timing would not match with two couples. I prefer SQQ- it seems to fit the music. Bo-oom plunk plunk. but as long as the timing stays consistent, everything is cool.
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Luv2Latin
3/16/2007  12:41:00 AM
I know nothing about American Rumba. In the book . In the International Style, with International timing, if you had to use quicks and slows, the count would be Q Q S. with the first step on beat two which would be 2 3 4 1
(4 1 ) being the slow. Fred Astaire was correct.
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Anonymous
3/16/2007  7:21:00 AM
"know nothing about American Rumba. In the book . In the International Style, with International timing, if you had to use quicks and slows, the count would be Q Q S. with the first step on beat two which would be 2 3 4 1
(4 1 ) being the slow. Fred Astaire was correct."

Ineed, you know NOTHING about American Rumba.

There are THREE different rumba timings, and they do not match each other, even once the dance is under way.

1) International
2) Fred Astaire
3) Arthur Murray

Just because you can call two of them QQS does not mean that they are the same QQS - they aren't.
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by anona
3/16/2007  9:47:00 AM
Yes - saying 'QQSS' means nothing after your first months in bronze level, and certainly does not tell you anyhting about the movement. For instance, slow is over what beats, is i=t a body action or just a step etc.

Are you also aware that as you progress, you will be counting International as 2 and a 3 and a 4 1?

Actually, you can make QQSS or any combination 'work' when you look at ANY movement, since you are glossing over the beats.

Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Anonymous
3/16/2007  12:21:00 PM
"Actually, you can make QQSS or any combination 'work' when you look at ANY movement, since you are glossing over the beats."

Might want to rethink that. "QQSS" is 6 beats, not four!
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Luv2Latin.
3/16/2007  7:46:00 PM
I'm not with some of you guys there. In the International Style Rumba Basic there are three steps to four beats. If you listen to a correctly played Rumba in between each beat there is another which makes eight in all. The steps are taken on the solid beats two three four . One is a settling of the hip. The in between beats belong to the hips, like a conection between the 2 and 3 and 4 and 1 and. There is your eight. This is really getting into it. Ask the average person in a correctly played Rumba. On which beat is the predominant percusive beat. Its not one, neither is it two. It is the fourth beat with the music. A good one to listen to is Chris De Burgh's The Lady in Red.
Something else to look for. In a major competition take note of the setup for the man or the lady in the Rumba or Cha. It is not with the feet square and apart rolling over on beat one. Nobody there would do it that way.
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Anonymous
3/16/2007  9:37:00 PM
"I'm not with some of you guys there. In the International Style Rumba "

Not very suprising. The thread isn't about international rumba.
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Annie
3/17/2007  3:11:00 PM
Really!
I think "Lady in Red" is a wonderful night club two-step. It is way too slow for an American style rumba.
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Luv2Latin
3/17/2007  4:03:00 PM
Annie. What is a two step ? . Chris De Burgh' s The Lady in Red 24 BPM is on a disk called Ultimate Ballroom 6. If you are interested on the same disk is
Vuelvo Al Sur. by Gotan Project. It is listed as a Show Rumba and is worth listening to. On there also is Love Walked Right In. sung by Diana Washington 25 BPM. If you haven' t noticed of late even though the official time for a Rumba is 28 BMP. Even in the IDSF major titles they are down to 25 BPM. The recordings are now coming out at that tempo and have been for a while. The movement of the hips now being taught is best suited at the slower speed. My teacher says that if the music is too fast the first thing that suffers is the hip movement. Good Luck

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