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Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Anonymous
3/16/2007  12:21:00 PM
"Actually, you can make QQSS or any combination 'work' when you look at ANY movement, since you are glossing over the beats."

Might want to rethink that. "QQSS" is 6 beats, not four!
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Luv2Latin.
3/16/2007  7:46:00 PM
I'm not with some of you guys there. In the International Style Rumba Basic there are three steps to four beats. If you listen to a correctly played Rumba in between each beat there is another which makes eight in all. The steps are taken on the solid beats two three four . One is a settling of the hip. The in between beats belong to the hips, like a conection between the 2 and 3 and 4 and 1 and. There is your eight. This is really getting into it. Ask the average person in a correctly played Rumba. On which beat is the predominant percusive beat. Its not one, neither is it two. It is the fourth beat with the music. A good one to listen to is Chris De Burgh's The Lady in Red.
Something else to look for. In a major competition take note of the setup for the man or the lady in the Rumba or Cha. It is not with the feet square and apart rolling over on beat one. Nobody there would do it that way.
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Anonymous
3/16/2007  9:37:00 PM
"I'm not with some of you guys there. In the International Style Rumba "

Not very suprising. The thread isn't about international rumba.
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Annie
3/17/2007  3:11:00 PM
Really!
I think "Lady in Red" is a wonderful night club two-step. It is way too slow for an American style rumba.
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Luv2Latin
3/17/2007  4:03:00 PM
Annie. What is a two step ? . Chris De Burgh' s The Lady in Red 24 BPM is on a disk called Ultimate Ballroom 6. If you are interested on the same disk is
Vuelvo Al Sur. by Gotan Project. It is listed as a Show Rumba and is worth listening to. On there also is Love Walked Right In. sung by Diana Washington 25 BPM. If you haven' t noticed of late even though the official time for a Rumba is 28 BMP. Even in the IDSF major titles they are down to 25 BPM. The recordings are now coming out at that tempo and have been for a while. The movement of the hips now being taught is best suited at the slower speed. My teacher says that if the music is too fast the first thing that suffers is the hip movement. Good Luck
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Anonymous
3/17/2007  4:42:00 PM
LuvLatin,

You are still not paying any attenion.

The thread IS NOT ABOUT INTERNATIONAL RUMBA.

It is about AMERICAN RUMBA which is a DIFFERENT DANCDE WITH DIFFERENT COUNT (actually, two choices there, both differing from international) and requiring FASTER MUSIC.
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by LuvLatin
3/18/2007  5:28:00 PM
If you look again you will see the thread is asking about the count . One studio says S Q Q . The other is Q Q S. In the International technique book it does give an alternate way of counting using Slows and Quicks. It is Q Q S .
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Anonymous
3/18/2007  10:39:00 PM
"If you look again you will see the thread is asking about the count . One studio says S Q Q . The other is Q Q S. In the International technique book it does give an alternate way of counting using Slows and Quicks. It is Q Q S ."

Sure, and you can count a runing finish in quickstep as QQS.

But, it's not the same as the international rumba QQS, any more than the american rumba variant described as QQS is the same as the international rumba QQS.

There are THREE distinct rumba timings - international and TWO VERSIONS of american, NEITHER OF WHICH MATCHES INTERNATIONAL TIMING.

Or tempo, for that matter - both american version being a bit faster, even today.
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Anonymous
3/18/2007  10:43:00 PM
Internatinoal: "QQS" 2,3,4-1

American:

"SQQ" 1-2,3,4

or

"QQS" 1,2,3-4

See how the two "QQS" timings are completely different and incompatible?
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by LuvLatin
3/19/2007  6:29:00 PM
For one who doesn' t do the American Style and trying to make sense out of it. To me it is how you start off.
If you use S Q Q . it means you are doing the Slow on the RF to the side and continue.
If you are using Q Q S. It probably means your first step is a Front Basic on the LF for a Q and continue. Whichever way you are taught the Slow will have Two beats and the Quicks One beat. I hope this is clear.In the International Style on a Basic the first step forward LF is on beat two. So we have step one on beat two. Thus we have the count of
2 3 (4 1). Not knowing the other styles there is a possibility you are dancing (3 4). 1 2. Which to us is out of time with the music.
Finely. If you were into a Sequence Rumbas, there are many of them, The Queen of Hearts is one. They all start LF forward on beat one.
Whichever way, we have Two legs Four Beats . Three Steps and One hip movement.

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