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Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Luv2Latin
3/17/2007  4:03:00 PM
Annie. What is a two step ? . Chris De Burgh' s The Lady in Red 24 BPM is on a disk called Ultimate Ballroom 6. If you are interested on the same disk is
Vuelvo Al Sur. by Gotan Project. It is listed as a Show Rumba and is worth listening to. On there also is Love Walked Right In. sung by Diana Washington 25 BPM. If you haven' t noticed of late even though the official time for a Rumba is 28 BMP. Even in the IDSF major titles they are down to 25 BPM. The recordings are now coming out at that tempo and have been for a while. The movement of the hips now being taught is best suited at the slower speed. My teacher says that if the music is too fast the first thing that suffers is the hip movement. Good Luck
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Anonymous
3/17/2007  4:42:00 PM
LuvLatin,

You are still not paying any attenion.

The thread IS NOT ABOUT INTERNATIONAL RUMBA.

It is about AMERICAN RUMBA which is a DIFFERENT DANCDE WITH DIFFERENT COUNT (actually, two choices there, both differing from international) and requiring FASTER MUSIC.
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by LuvLatin
3/18/2007  5:28:00 PM
If you look again you will see the thread is asking about the count . One studio says S Q Q . The other is Q Q S. In the International technique book it does give an alternate way of counting using Slows and Quicks. It is Q Q S .
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Anonymous
3/18/2007  10:39:00 PM
"If you look again you will see the thread is asking about the count . One studio says S Q Q . The other is Q Q S. In the International technique book it does give an alternate way of counting using Slows and Quicks. It is Q Q S ."

Sure, and you can count a runing finish in quickstep as QQS.

But, it's not the same as the international rumba QQS, any more than the american rumba variant described as QQS is the same as the international rumba QQS.

There are THREE distinct rumba timings - international and TWO VERSIONS of american, NEITHER OF WHICH MATCHES INTERNATIONAL TIMING.

Or tempo, for that matter - both american version being a bit faster, even today.
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Anonymous
3/18/2007  10:43:00 PM
Internatinoal: "QQS" 2,3,4-1

American:

"SQQ" 1-2,3,4

or

"QQS" 1,2,3-4

See how the two "QQS" timings are completely different and incompatible?
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by LuvLatin
3/19/2007  6:29:00 PM
For one who doesn' t do the American Style and trying to make sense out of it. To me it is how you start off.
If you use S Q Q . it means you are doing the Slow on the RF to the side and continue.
If you are using Q Q S. It probably means your first step is a Front Basic on the LF for a Q and continue. Whichever way you are taught the Slow will have Two beats and the Quicks One beat. I hope this is clear.In the International Style on a Basic the first step forward LF is on beat two. So we have step one on beat two. Thus we have the count of
2 3 (4 1). Not knowing the other styles there is a possibility you are dancing (3 4). 1 2. Which to us is out of time with the music.
Finely. If you were into a Sequence Rumbas, there are many of them, The Queen of Hearts is one. They all start LF forward on beat one.
Whichever way, we have Two legs Four Beats . Three Steps and One hip movement.
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Anonymous
3/19/2007  7:18:00 PM
"For one who doesn' t do the American Style and trying to make sense out of it. To me it is how you start off.
If you use S Q Q . it means you are doing the Slow on the RF to the side and continue.
If you are using Q Q S. It probably means your first step is a Front Basic on the LF for a Q and continue. Whichever way you are taught the Slow will have Two beats and the Quicks One beat. I hope this is clear.In the International Style on a Basic the first step forward LF is on beat two. So we have step one on beat two. Thus we have the count of
2 3 (4 1). Not knowing the other styles there is a possibility you are dancing (3 4). 1 2. Which to us is out of time with the music."

While the slow in international rumba crosses the bar line, the slow in either style of american rumba is contained within a single bar. It is 1-2 in one style and 3-4 in the other, never the 4-1 used in international.

You might call that off time with the music from your perspective, but it's really not - because the MUSIC IS DIFFERENT, not just in its tempo. There's a few wishy washy songs that can be danced either way, but when you know both dancers some numbers will scream for international timing with it's cross bar slow, and others will scream out for the american approach with its contained, half-measure slow. Even if you alter the tempo, you really can't turn one song into the other - at a minimum, you'd have to re-record with a different philosophy in the rhythm section.
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by LuvLatin
3/19/2007  8:18:00 PM
Not in a competition, but we can do a Rumba to some tunes that are actually Foxtrots. It shouldn t be difficult even for a beginner to pick out the beats and link the 4 with the 1. Personally i would never count in slows and quicks. It is fine for the absolute basics. But after that it wont work.
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by Anonymous
3/19/2007  10:51:00 PM
"Not in a competition, but we can do a Rumba to some tunes that are actually Foxtrots. It shouldn t be difficult even for a beginner to pick out the beats and link the 4 with the 1. Personally i would never count in slows and quicks. It is fine for the absolute basics. But after that it wont work."

Sure, you can force anything to work, but characteristic american rumba music does not really suggest the 4-1 timing of international rumba. Instead, it suggests the half-measure aligned timing of american rumba.

Wheras foxtrot does having something aking to the 4-1 holdover...
Re: Rumba Count
Posted by SocialDancer
3/20/2007  3:17:00 AM
"Finally. If you were into a Sequence Rumbas, there are many of them, The Queen of Hearts is one. They all start LF forward on beat one."

Not officially they don't. The scripts and competitions are all danced using the normal international timing of 2,3,4-1.
When danced socially however they are almost universally danced 1,2,3-4. Part of the reason is the music used for sequence dancing. This usually has a very definite 'dance on 1' feel. The same applies to sequence cha cha too, danced 1,2,3&4, which incidentally is the timing used on the original "Wheels" played by Joe Loss 50 years ago.

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