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Re: How it has changed
Posted by Anonymous
3/30/2007  6:46:00 AM
"So you are one of those whos feet leaves the floor, going backward or forward."

No! I did not say that at all.

Apparently you studied at the George Bush school of diplomacy.

I don't share your obsession with the altitude of the moving foot, but absent any reason to raise it (and there usually is none) I would not recommend doing so. On the other hand, if there is a reason to raise it (such as unsuitable shoes and/or floor) I can do so with no real disruption.

"By the way you write it would seem you are using momentum to keep you upright."

Yes, that is how humans have been walking every since our ancestors left the trees. You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but you will not change SIMPLE FACTS KNOWN TO ANYONE WHO HAS MADE A SCIENTIFIC STUDY OF HUMAN MOVEMENT.

"If you have no contact with the floor with your moving foot your foot will move too quickly."

On the contrary, if it is only contact with the floor that keeps your moving foot from moving too quickly then THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH YOUR MOVEMENT. If your movement were well aimed and efficient, there would be no need for a braking drag from that foot - that you need it is proof that your movement is MISAIMED and INEFFICIENT. Now that's fine for a beginner, but you sure give the impression that you've been dancing long enough to have moved years beyond that stage!

"I've tried to pin you down on this one without success. Do you believe that the person moving backwards has pressure on both feet as they move."

Of course not!

"Are both feet in contact with the floor."

Yes, unless there is a good reason for one not to be. Unecessarily lifting a foot is wasteful - but if it becomes necessary due to a bad floor/shoe situation, it would not change anything on a skilled and coordinated dancer.

"Also please explain what you meant when you wrote. The mistaken argument of mid stride. Which has everything to do with foot pressure."

You would not be able to get to your alleged mid-stride position (which is a mistake), or mine either (which is proper) without either

1) going of balance (the proper way

or

2) sliding a lot of your weight on the moving foot in order to stay balanced (the improper way, very limiting, and will cause you to trip if someone changes the floor wax)

or

3) stopping your body over your standing foot until after your moving foot has been placed. Talk about silly walks!!

Re: How it has changed
Posted by Quickstep.
3/30/2007  3:57:00 PM
I said to you. So you are one of those whos feet leave the floor going forward or backward.Your reply. No I did not say that at all. What did you mean then when you wrote. When you dance you are also only on one leg at a time.
I'm beginning to see where you are coming from when you wrote. Lifting a foot becomes waistfull but it becomes necessary due to a bad floor.
If you cannot keep in contact with the floor, then have you ever danced on a correctly prepared floor. If all your dancing, or the majority of your dancing is on floors where the feet have to be lifted in order to move. I feel sorry for you. You will never dance correctly, I would wager on your studio sticky floor nobody practises moving down the floor and then backwards using the correct contact with the floor as stipulated in all of the technique books. If you can' t do it with an extended hold, or solo, then you can' t do it in a normal ballroom hold. If your floors are slow another pair of prepared shoes are needed. The boot of my car is like a travelling shoe shop. I take with me two pair of Latin and three pair of Standard. I can manage any type of surface I am likely to meet.
Going backwards both feet are in contact withe floor. From the time the supporting knee is flexed to the front and the ball of moving foot brushes the floor till it is fully extended. Then the front heel which is movings is in contact with the floor untill it becomes a ball as it passes under the body and the supporting heel lowers to the floor.
This needs to be practised . For how long. Forever.
Re: How it has changed
Posted by Anonymous
3/30/2007  5:28:00 PM
"I said to you. So you are one of those whos feet leave the floor going forward or backward.Your reply. No I did not say that at all. What did you mean then when you wrote. When you dance you are also only on one leg at a time."

You are going to have to learn that there is a BIG DIFFERENCE between:

1) a foot that is in contact with the floor

and

2) a foot that is supporting the body

I habitually have both feet on the floor when dancing the swing dances, because there is usually NO REASON NOT TO, and lifting them would be inefficient.

But I also have my weight on ONLY ONE FOOT AT A TIME, becuase sliding weight on the moving foot is also INEFFICIENT, inhibits freedom of movement, and confuses one's partner about your intentions.

learn to READ, dude!
Re: How it has changed
Posted by Quickstep.
3/31/2007  2:40:00 AM
If you want to confuse somebody you are doing a very good job. Unless you now think diferently you have previously wrote. At any point when one foot is moving you are obviously standing on one leg. You also wrote that the weight goes to the point of imbalance and is then caught. You then stated I wrote it because it is true. On the 10. 17 you wrote. You should fall past your standing foot. I said have you thought of what will happen to the lady when you thrust yourself to the point of inbalance. Your answer was . Not only I insist on it.
To get back to the beginning. We are all well aware that the foot we are standing on is on the floor. Is the other foot in contact or are you standing on one leg or rather moving with one foot off the ground. Would you like to rewrite your last two paragraphs,'cos I think your losing it.
Re: How it has changed
Posted by Anonymous
3/31/2007  3:36:00 AM
"If you want to confuse somebody you are doing a very good job."

Actually, that would be you, by chopping up my comments into meaningless little out of context fragments.

For example:

"I said have you thought of what will happen to the lady when you thrust yourself to the point of inbalance. Your answer was . Not only I insist on it."

Now what kind of a quote is that, "not only I insist on it" ???

The actual answer to your question was that the lady has also projected herself into imbalance and is also falling. I said that I not only accepted her doing that, I insisted that she do it! Quote the full context, and the quote makes some sense. But chop up random words, and it's barely better than writing a ransom note by pasting together words cut out of a magazine!

"To get back to the beginning. We are all well aware that the foot we are standing on is on the floor. Is the other foot in contact or are you standing on one leg or rather moving with one foot off the ground."

I am standing on only one leg, however the other foot is ALSO ON THE FLOOR, BUT WITH ZERO WEIGHT.

Being on the floor and being weighted are NOT THE SAME THING. Being on the floor is a necessary condition for bearing weight, but it is NOT A SUFFICIENT CONDITION - it does not imply that there is weight on that foot too. Nor does not having weight on a foot imply that it is off the floor.

Until you understand that, no explanation of dance technique is going to make any sense to you!
Re: How it has changed
Posted by Anonymous
3/31/2007  4:32:00 AM
Where does your paragraph six differ from what I quoted. I've copied most of your stupid writting. If you want quotes I got dozens of them. Didn
Re: How it has changed
Posted by Quickstep
3/31/2007  4:47:00 AM
I dont know how that message left home. I was going on to say that i have most of your quotes. The one i am fasinated by is that you have said That on a backward lowering step TH must become flat before the departing leg retracts. Exact copy. Is your aim still to establish sufficient doubt in the mind of other dancers who seriously want to improve. There is more but the soccer is just starting got to go Liverpool V Arsenal.
Re: How it has changed
Posted by Anonymous
3/31/2007  4:50:00 AM
"The one i am fasinated by is that you have said That on a backward lowering step TH must become flat before the departing leg retracts."

Yes... that's how it's done. Watch videos closely and you will see it a lot, even on some of the ones here if I recall correctly.

"Is your aim still to establish sufficient doubt in the mind of other dancers who seriously want to improve."

When they are being exposed to nonsense, yes, my goal is to get them to think critically, by doubting everything until they understand why it is true.
Re: How it has changed
Posted by Quickstep
3/31/2007  5:56:00 PM
A Backward Walk man or lady. The heel of the supporting foot lowers to the floor as the moving foot passes it. Nobody ever told you any different. No qualified teacher would teach anything but the above. The way to accomplish this is not with a partner at first in a close hold. Either on your own or right palm to right palm. If there is any nodding of the body which will cause a change in the pressure on the palms which should stay constant Untill you get that right how can anybody do it in a ballroom hold. My teachers can go full bore a Feather Reverse Three step and Natural with the hands down by their side . Just the conection with the bodies. I can't' and most likely never will. But what I will do is put in that road work. Somebody mentioned Ray who I believe is living in LA since moving from here years ago. He said , he was talking about Latin. We should do as many Rumba Walks as a Marathon Runner does miles on the road in their training. Theres a guy who did get 10,000 people to watch a major dance competition. Back to the walks.We with walks in Modern should also be doing the same. Improvement garanteed.
Re: How it has changed
Posted by Anonymous
3/31/2007  11:51:00 PM
"A Backward Walk man or lady. The heel of the supporting foot lowers to the floor as the moving foot passes it."

There you go again.. IGNORING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A WALK, WHICH BY DEFINITION HAS ZERO RISE AND ZERO FALL, AND what I explicitly said I was describing: a LOWERING ACTION.

Obviously, they are different actions and will have DIFFERENT DETAILS.

"Nobody ever told you any different."

They most certainly did! But you wouldn't know anything about that, as you can't be bothered to schedule lessons with any real teachers; instead you are content to ASSUME that you know everything from books and videos. I on the other hand book lessons (with a lot of the people you love to misquote) and ask literal questions about these things...

"No qualified teacher would teach anything but the above."

Your gross ignorance simply proves that YOU HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY HAD A LESSON WITH A fully "qualified teacher"

Stay an ignoramous if you like; the rest of us are busy imporving our dancing, under the guidance of the best teachers on the planet.

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