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Re: How it has changed
Posted by Quickstep.
3/31/2007  2:40:00 AM
If you want to confuse somebody you are doing a very good job. Unless you now think diferently you have previously wrote. At any point when one foot is moving you are obviously standing on one leg. You also wrote that the weight goes to the point of imbalance and is then caught. You then stated I wrote it because it is true. On the 10. 17 you wrote. You should fall past your standing foot. I said have you thought of what will happen to the lady when you thrust yourself to the point of inbalance. Your answer was . Not only I insist on it.
To get back to the beginning. We are all well aware that the foot we are standing on is on the floor. Is the other foot in contact or are you standing on one leg or rather moving with one foot off the ground. Would you like to rewrite your last two paragraphs,'cos I think your losing it.
Re: How it has changed
Posted by Anonymous
3/31/2007  3:36:00 AM
"If you want to confuse somebody you are doing a very good job."

Actually, that would be you, by chopping up my comments into meaningless little out of context fragments.

For example:

"I said have you thought of what will happen to the lady when you thrust yourself to the point of inbalance. Your answer was . Not only I insist on it."

Now what kind of a quote is that, "not only I insist on it" ???

The actual answer to your question was that the lady has also projected herself into imbalance and is also falling. I said that I not only accepted her doing that, I insisted that she do it! Quote the full context, and the quote makes some sense. But chop up random words, and it's barely better than writing a ransom note by pasting together words cut out of a magazine!

"To get back to the beginning. We are all well aware that the foot we are standing on is on the floor. Is the other foot in contact or are you standing on one leg or rather moving with one foot off the ground."

I am standing on only one leg, however the other foot is ALSO ON THE FLOOR, BUT WITH ZERO WEIGHT.

Being on the floor and being weighted are NOT THE SAME THING. Being on the floor is a necessary condition for bearing weight, but it is NOT A SUFFICIENT CONDITION - it does not imply that there is weight on that foot too. Nor does not having weight on a foot imply that it is off the floor.

Until you understand that, no explanation of dance technique is going to make any sense to you!
Re: How it has changed
Posted by Anonymous
3/31/2007  4:32:00 AM
Where does your paragraph six differ from what I quoted. I've copied most of your stupid writting. If you want quotes I got dozens of them. Didn
Re: How it has changed
Posted by Quickstep
3/31/2007  4:47:00 AM
I dont know how that message left home. I was going on to say that i have most of your quotes. The one i am fasinated by is that you have said That on a backward lowering step TH must become flat before the departing leg retracts. Exact copy. Is your aim still to establish sufficient doubt in the mind of other dancers who seriously want to improve. There is more but the soccer is just starting got to go Liverpool V Arsenal.
Re: How it has changed
Posted by Anonymous
3/31/2007  4:50:00 AM
"The one i am fasinated by is that you have said That on a backward lowering step TH must become flat before the departing leg retracts."

Yes... that's how it's done. Watch videos closely and you will see it a lot, even on some of the ones here if I recall correctly.

"Is your aim still to establish sufficient doubt in the mind of other dancers who seriously want to improve."

When they are being exposed to nonsense, yes, my goal is to get them to think critically, by doubting everything until they understand why it is true.
Re: How it has changed
Posted by Quickstep
3/31/2007  5:56:00 PM
A Backward Walk man or lady. The heel of the supporting foot lowers to the floor as the moving foot passes it. Nobody ever told you any different. No qualified teacher would teach anything but the above. The way to accomplish this is not with a partner at first in a close hold. Either on your own or right palm to right palm. If there is any nodding of the body which will cause a change in the pressure on the palms which should stay constant Untill you get that right how can anybody do it in a ballroom hold. My teachers can go full bore a Feather Reverse Three step and Natural with the hands down by their side . Just the conection with the bodies. I can't' and most likely never will. But what I will do is put in that road work. Somebody mentioned Ray who I believe is living in LA since moving from here years ago. He said , he was talking about Latin. We should do as many Rumba Walks as a Marathon Runner does miles on the road in their training. Theres a guy who did get 10,000 people to watch a major dance competition. Back to the walks.We with walks in Modern should also be doing the same. Improvement garanteed.
Re: How it has changed
Posted by Anonymous
3/31/2007  11:51:00 PM
"A Backward Walk man or lady. The heel of the supporting foot lowers to the floor as the moving foot passes it."

There you go again.. IGNORING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A WALK, WHICH BY DEFINITION HAS ZERO RISE AND ZERO FALL, AND what I explicitly said I was describing: a LOWERING ACTION.

Obviously, they are different actions and will have DIFFERENT DETAILS.

"Nobody ever told you any different."

They most certainly did! But you wouldn't know anything about that, as you can't be bothered to schedule lessons with any real teachers; instead you are content to ASSUME that you know everything from books and videos. I on the other hand book lessons (with a lot of the people you love to misquote) and ask literal questions about these things...

"No qualified teacher would teach anything but the above."

Your gross ignorance simply proves that YOU HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY HAD A LESSON WITH A fully "qualified teacher"

Stay an ignoramous if you like; the rest of us are busy imporving our dancing, under the guidance of the best teachers on the planet.
Re: How it has changed
Posted by Quickstep
4/3/2007  5:58:00 PM
No qualified teacher will teach anything that is not in the technique books. Which ever one they are working from. The books do not say that the supporting heel will lower to the floor before the moving foot passes under the body. If you do lower before the foot arrives you are falling away from your partner. What has happened is as the man has lowered the whole of his foot to the floor he will find his partner already gone.
But of course if you are one of those that sends their nose in front of their toes. The lady will be pushed over. No teaching book will tell you to dance this way . Qualified teachers. Who are you kidding. Must have bought their credentialls over the counter in there local supermarket.
Re: How it has changed
Posted by Anonymous
4/3/2007  8:46:00 PM
"No qualified teacher will teach anything that is not in the technique books."

That sentance pretty much proves that you've never met a REAL DANCE TEACHER... because if you had, you'd join my in rolling on the floor laughing your waistcoat off.

"If you do lower before the foot arrives you are falling away from your partner."

Not if you do it right you won't. One of the constraints for doing it right is to be doing it at a rate that SUITS YOUR PARNTER AS WELL AS YOURSELF.

"What has happened is as the man has lowered the whole of his foot to the floor he will find his partner already gone."

No, if he did it properly, and she is any good, she will be right there with him.

"But of course if you are one of those that sends their nose in front of their toes."

Not just nose, but whole body - if you had any clue about it, you really wouldn't characterize it as the nose, as the projection of the body is so much more obvious in the center than in the head.

"The lady will be pushed over."

Not if you do it right. On the other hand if you don't do it, you'll create a huge gap between the partners, or a PAUSE in what was SUPPOSED TO BE A CONTINUOUS MOVEMENT.

"No teaching book will tell you to dance this way."

Pretty funny, as that's exactly what alex moore describes - sending the BODY FIRST.

"Qualified teachers. Who are you kidding. Must have bought their credentialls over the counter in there local supermarket."

I think they won them in this little coastal resort town actually. Blackwater or something like that
Re: How it has changed
Posted by Quickstep
4/5/2007  3:03:00 AM
I somtimes try to stand your side of the fence and figure out how is this going to be done by this person, or for that matter anybody else. I can understand premeture lowering which is a common mistake. But for the life of me I cannot figure out how you can say the body, the body being that part above the hips, I think that to you is your body. But there we have an argument straight away. That is not where the majority of the weight is. But any way. With your knees bent to an angle of 45 degrees how do you get your weight over the front of your base to be the furtherest part forward without toppling over. By all means drive your spine which is your centre forward but it will never overtake your foot.

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