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Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by phil.samways
4/12/2007  9:02:00 AM
I meant to add another technical point, since we're talking physics of dancing.
If i lower at the end of '3' in a waltz, the lowering would be about 6 inches (at least) and would occupy about half a beat, i.e. 1/3 seconds. If you do the sums on the average acceleration of such a movement, it works out to be 9ft/sec/sec. i.e. more than 1/4 the acceleration due to gravity. So, in such a movement, the 'weight' on the standing leg would be reduced to less than 75% of your body weight.
It will only be the same as the body's normal weight if there is no vertical movement
Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by Anonymous
4/12/2007  10:05:00 AM
"Most of what you're saying is technically correct, but i think you've not grasped the point i'm making, which is about the use of English, not the laws of physics. I'll make the point again. When you say "the weight is over your foot" Or "your weight is over your foot" it is usually understood to mean that the body's centre of mass is over the foot. That's the main point i'm making"

And the point of this thread was to point out that this is exactly what I mean by using the word "over"

In contrast, when I use the word "on" or "in", I mean that the weight, which is really to say the force due to gravity and acceleartion acting on the center of mass, is producing a pressure in the foot. The difference is that this does not necessarily mean that the center of mass is over the foot - in most cases where there is acceleration, in fact most of the time it will mean that the center of mass is NOT over the supporting foot.

In terms of the vertical acceleration of fall lessing your apparent weight, I agree, but would take it further. Championship dancers will fall much more than 6 inches, and so will "weigh" substantially less as they are accelerating downwards to cover this greater distance.

But the flip side of that is that while you weigh less while your downwards speed is increasing, you will weight MORE while your downwards speed is decreasing, which is to say when you start transitioning your movement from vertical to horizontal. At the bottom of the curve, your weight will be substantially more than your static body weight - and again, by a greater factor for championship lowering than it would be for relaxed social movement.

(A championship dancer probably would have a more gradual transition from vertical to horizontal movement though - they aren't going to drop in place and only then move, they will start moving even as they drop)
Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by Anonymous
4/12/2007  10:20:00 PM
A Championship dancer would most likely say. i have not a clue what you are on about. Lets dance.
Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by Quickstep.
4/27/2007  5:24:00 PM
Put it this way. In a Rumba there is a point where the body is deliberately and physicaly placed ahead of the foot. In Modern there is not.The movement of the body is from the heel to the ball of the foot. This is spoken about from a standing position in the technique book page 10 . Once we are moving there is no need for any further instructions regarding this. It will take care of its self and depends on the person. If you are one who continuously tries to send your weight in front of your front foot and it is visibly so. Then the judges will not mark you. Unless you are doing the Rumba.
Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by Anonymous
4/27/2007  5:41:00 PM
"Put it this way. In a Rumba there is a point where the body is deliberately and physicaly placed ahead of the foot. In Modern there is not."

WRONG. There also is there... in fact it's even more important! It's part of close partnering of a sort that just doesn't occur in latin.

"The movement of the body is from the heel to the ball of the foot."

And then beyond.

"This is spoken about from a standing position in the technique book page 10."

And then naturally beyond.

"Once we are moving there is no need for any further instructions regarding this. "

Indeed, because the fact that the body goes beyond the foot is a natural and everyday part of human movement.

"It will take care of its self and depends on the person. If you are one who continuously tries to send your weight in front of your front foot and it is visibly so. Then the judges will not mark you. Unless you are doing the Rumba."

Experience proves you wrong!
Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by Quickstep
4/27/2007  6:55:00 PM
Beyond the ball must be to the toe. That doesn't sound right. Your still not bending your knees to create an angle of 45 degrees are you.
Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by Anonymous
4/27/2007  8:11:00 PM
"Beyond the ball must be to the toe. That doesn't sound right."

Beyond the toe... beyond the entire foot. The pressure of the weight is still in the foot, but the location of the center of mass has moved beyond the foot.

You simply can't move your body more than the lenght of your foot while keeping it over the foot! It has to go beyond if it is to go anywhere.

"Your still not bending your knees to create an angle of 45 degrees are you."

Where do you get a crazy, unrelated idea like that? You pull this out ever two weeks or so, despite being corrected in your erroneous assumption each time.

YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU SINPLEY CANT ACCEPT THAT FACT THAT YOU HAVEN'T A CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Yet every post yours proves it... to every one reading.
Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by Quickstep
4/28/2007  2:35:00 AM
I keep seeing endless postings with no mention of the use of the knees. Without using the knee the step will be painfully short. The more the knees are bent the further you will go. Backwards Forward or Side Ways. One more thing. Our bodies stay over our feet when the weight is collected and in between at varying distances from then on untill the next collection point.
Don't you find it very hard to get in front of your foot which is moving. by the time you have caught up to your moving foot the other one is moving. Just watch a runner.
The only way you are going to be able to get in front of your front foot is with a very straight knee so that you can go over the top.This is why you have said your thigh is vertical. Bend your knee and your weight will centre over the ball of the foot.
Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by Anonymous
4/30/2007  8:11:00 PM
" The only way you are going to be able to get in front of your front foot is with a very straight knee so that you can go over the top.This is why you have said your thigh is vertical. Bend your knee and your weight will centre over the ball of the foot."

WRONG.

In the situation I described where the thigh was vertical, the SHIN WAS NOT VERTICAL.

Which is to say, the knee was substantially bent.

The bent knee was in front of the foot.

The body was vertically aligned over the knee.

Thus the body was in front of the foot!
Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by Quickstep
5/1/2007  8:28:00 PM
As the shin is not verticl so is the thigh not verticl. Try getting the feet together. Do as you suggest. That is a verticl thigh over an angled shin.
What has happend to those natural laws of movement you often write about. Do you anlize your own statements.
How can the bent knee be in front of the body. And the body verticlly aligned over the knee. Which means the knee is not in front of the body. Is it. That is more the position that a diver has just before they leave the diving platform and has no place in dancing. At that point they is no return.

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