A Championship dancer would most likely say. i have not a clue what you are on about. Lets dance.

Put it this way. In a Rumba there is a point where the body is deliberately and physicaly placed ahead of the foot. In Modern there is not.The movement of the body is from the heel to the ball of the foot. This is spoken about from a standing position in the technique book page 10 . Once we are moving there is no need for any further instructions regarding this. It will take care of its self and depends on the person. If you are one who continuously tries to send your weight in front of your front foot and it is visibly so. Then the judges will not mark you. Unless you are doing the Rumba.

"Put it this way. In a Rumba there is a point where the body is deliberately and physicaly placed ahead of the foot. In Modern there is not."

WRONG. There also is there... in fact it's even more important! It's part of close partnering of a sort that just doesn't occur in latin.

"The movement of the body is from the heel to the ball of the foot."

And then beyond.

"This is spoken about from a standing position in the technique book page 10."

And then naturally beyond.

"Once we are moving there is no need for any further instructions regarding this. "

Indeed, because the fact that the body goes beyond the foot is a natural and everyday part of human movement.

"It will take care of its self and depends on the person. If you are one who continuously tries to send your weight in front of your front foot and it is visibly so. Then the judges will not mark you. Unless you are doing the Rumba."

Experience proves you wrong!

Beyond the ball must be to the toe. That doesn't sound right. Your still not bending your knees to create an angle of 45 degrees are you.

"Beyond the ball must be to the toe. That doesn't sound right."

Beyond the toe... beyond the entire foot. The pressure of the weight is still in the foot, but the location of the center of mass has moved beyond the foot.

You simply can't move your body more than the lenght of your foot while keeping it over the foot! It has to go beyond if it is to go anywhere.

"Your still not bending your knees to create an angle of 45 degrees are you."

Where do you get a crazy, unrelated idea like that? You pull this out ever two weeks or so, despite being corrected in your erroneous assumption each time.

YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU SINPLEY CANT ACCEPT THAT FACT THAT YOU HAVEN'T A CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Yet every post yours proves it... to every one reading.

I keep seeing endless postings with no mention of the use of the knees. Without using the knee the step will be painfully short. The more the knees are bent the further you will go. Backwards Forward or Side Ways. One more thing. Our bodies stay over our feet when the weight is collected and in between at varying distances from then on untill the next collection point.
Don't you find it very hard to get in front of your foot which is moving. by the time you have caught up to your moving foot the other one is moving. Just watch a runner.
The only way you are going to be able to get in front of your front foot is with a very straight knee so that you can go over the top.This is why you have said your thigh is vertical. Bend your knee and your weight will centre over the ball of the foot.

" The only way you are going to be able to get in front of your front foot is with a very straight knee so that you can go over the top.This is why you have said your thigh is vertical. Bend your knee and your weight will centre over the ball of the foot."

WRONG.

In the situation I described where the thigh was vertical, the SHIN WAS NOT VERTICAL.

Which is to say, the knee was substantially bent.

The bent knee was in front of the foot.

The body was vertically aligned over the knee.

Thus the body was in front of the foot!

As the shin is not verticl so is the thigh not verticl. Try getting the feet together. Do as you suggest. That is a verticl thigh over an angled shin.
What has happend to those natural laws of movement you often write about. Do you anlize your own statements.
How can the bent knee be in front of the body. And the body verticlly aligned over the knee. Which means the knee is not in front of the body. Is it. That is more the position that a diver has just before they leave the diving platform and has no place in dancing. At that point they is no return.

"Try getting the feet together. Do as you suggest. That is a verticl thigh over an angled shin."

Yes, that's the way it works. This puts the bent the knee forwards of the foot, and the body over the knee, which is to say also projected forward of the foot - but while maintaining vertical alignment.

"How can the bent knee be in front of the body. And the body verticlly aligned over the knee."

I didn't say the knee was in front of the body, I said the knee, and the body, are in front of the foot.

"Which means the knee is not in front of the body. Is it."

Which is why I didn't say it was - try READING next time.

Now of course there are situations where the knee would be ahead of the body, but those are different points in different actions, with entirely different characteristics.

If my shin is angled and my thigh and body are verticle over my knee I am falling forward. I am absulutely sure that absolutely no one would walk through their local shopping centre like that. Stop trying to defend the indefensible. You'll be here foreverand a day.