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Posted by anymouse
7/4/2007  10:37:00 PM
"So what exactly was Pat Thompson saying when she drew attention to this dancer not getting his second quicks right on the beat."

You never quit being wrong, do you Quickstep - you just hide behind a new alias in the nieve hope that it gives you a new chance. Well it doesn't, you can't hide because you are so obviously yourslef.

As for the above quote, you are obviously misundersanding it, as if it meant what you think it did it would be at odds with what is well known to actually happen, as already established here, over and over and over again:

http://www.ballroomdancers.com/Message_Board/view_messages.asp?MsgID=23818
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Posted by Serendipidy
7/5/2007  7:36:00 PM
On the 06 Foxtrot Professional Final which most of us have access to. Can you see any of the six finalists that were not right on the beat with their quicks. Anonymouse . You will be looking a long long time. Also you haven't a clue who Pat Thompson is have you. If you go to the 75th Blackpool tapes you can listen to her yourself. There you are again I given you a reference to check for yourself. In return I would like to know who exactly told you that you can dance off the beat and compete. Socially you can please yourself, and you obviously do, as well as not counting the beats which you have said you don't. Names please. Just to give you something to pick at. In a Waltz routine I have for years had chasses that have a different timing for each. There is 1 2 and 3. 1 and 2 3. and 1 2 3 and.. To try to go from one to another without counting would produce some degree of difficulty. Which leads me to believe that your dancing must be composed of very basic steps. I would love to see what sort of a mess you would make of a Samba with no count.
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Posted by anymouse
7/5/2007  10:00:00 PM
"Can you see any of the six finalists that were not right on the beat with their quicks."

The plain fact is that none of them were putting both quicks on the beats, because doing so is not how foxtrot is danced. See:

http://www.ballroomdancers.com/Message_Board/view_messages.asp?MsgID=23818

If you want to dispute the issue, you should respond to that, proudly as Quickstep, not keep trying to sneak your tired old arguments in again under a new username.
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Posted by Serendipidy
7/6/2007  3:43:00 PM
I would still like to know who instructed you to not get your quicks in the Foxtrot right on the black dot of the crotchet. (Getting the quick right on the black dot.Those words spoken by Pat Thompson 75th Blackpool tapes)
Where you also taught the same in the Tango and the Quickstep, or is this all your own idea. Instead of giving me a string of numbers to look up, just write here what is there. Or is that too dificult. If I were you I would quite before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you are already doing. Deliberately dancing off the beat. What next.
I finaly looked at the message you refered to. It has absolutely nothing to do with getting the quick on the beat.
I stand by this. Get the quicks on the beats and the slowes will look after themselves. As Len Scriverner said. You can be off the slows. But only a fool would be off the quicks.
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Posted by anymouse
7/6/2007  4:20:00 PM
"I finaly looked at the message you refered to. It has absolutely nothing to do with getting the quick on the beat."

Blatantly false, Mr. Quickstep who is pretending to be Serendipty. The timing of the second quick is in fact the subject of that post, as you well know.

http://www.ballroomdancers.com/Message_Board/view_messages.asp?MsgID=23818

If you are going to take issue with that, respond to it there, not here.
Re: no subject
Posted by O.Z.
10/5/2012  5:15:00 PM
This is an argument from way back when some guy reckons that it is not necessary to dance any quicks in the Foxtrot right on the beat. Can we imagine a Feather Step where the couple or not on those two quicks. Or the same on the six quicks on a Reverse Weave. What! Are we supposed to dance inbetween the beats of music.
Re: Feather Step International Style
Posted by anymouse
10/7/2012  10:07:00 AM
"This is an argument from way back when some guy reckons that it is not necessary to dance any quicks in the Foxtrot right on the beat. Can we imagine a Feather Step where the couple or not on those two quicks. Or the same on the six quicks on a Reverse Weave. What! Are we supposed to dance inbetween the beats of music."

This is a tired misconception from way back, resurrected after 5 years by some guy who apparently continues to deny the universal fact that real dancers do not in fact put their second quick on any beat. Either he has not been watching actual dancers, or he has been unable to see through his assumption to perceive the actual facts of what those dancers are doing.

The reality is that foxtrot is not a dance with the goal of stepping on beats. Instead, it is a dance with the goal of moving the body with the character of the music.

When we match the body speed to the music speed, we find (either in ourselves, or in carefully measuring the performance of any respected dancers) that the intervals between steps required by the music mean that at most one step of a SQQ pattern can fall on a beat.

Traditionally, that is the first quick landing on the 3rd beat.

Trying to force either the slow, or the second quick, to also land on a beat would break the proper intervals of the steps, removing the essential character of the dance known as foxtrot from the movement of the body.

If you are obsessed with landing your feet on beats, best to avoid the foxtrot.
Re: Feather Step International Style
Posted by Dave
11/8/2012  4:22:00 PM
The foxtrot has rise and fall not as much as the waltz of cause. We gather body speed on the fall so the body is moving faster going into a variation and slows at the end of the rise . In foxtrot this change of body speed is not so obvious as we dance through the rise to get that smooth movement. So the slow in foxtrot is faster than the quicks and that's why we don't dance right on the beat. With a nice peace of lyrical music we can extend the ending of feathers hovers and feather finishes, but we can't do that if we don't have enough body speed on the downswing. Cheers Dave
Re: Feather Step International Style
Posted by O.Z.
11/9/2012  7:17:00 PM
Foxtrot. Feather Step. Rise at the end of step 1. Up on 2 and 3. lower at the end of 3. Now analyse that.. not putting anything in it that is not there.
We are at our full height on 2 and 3 lowering verticly at the end of step 3 with the moving left leg coming into a neutral position. Which is often called a balance position. And we then compress,,, ( Alex Moore uses the word relax ),,, the knee so that we can drive the next step into a Reverse movement.
Dont ignore the Inroduction Section of the Technique book. If we are to lower at the end of the third step which gives us two heights to be at on the one beat we had better arrive on that fourth beat on the dot and not be late
otherwise we will be chasing the music
Re: Feather Step International Style
Posted by anymouse
11/9/2012  8:49:00 PM
"Foxtrot. Feather Step. Rise at the end of step 1. Up on 2 and 3. lower at the end of 3."

This simplified formal description leaves out a lot of geometrically obvious reality. For the specific properties it covers it is accurate, but anyone who tries to execute it without understanding the key aspects which the wording does not attempt to address, goes fatally wrong. This is why you must study with a skilled teacher, and not try to learn to dance from a book!

"Now analyse that.. not putting anything in it that is not there."

You are in fact reading in plenty that is not there, for example the following grossly mistaken claim:

"We are at our full height on 2 and 3"

No. In fact, your height continuously changes as your feet close, pass, and re-divide.

"lowering verticly"

One would better hope not!

Approximately vertical lowering is seen in the foot-closure waltz figures, but not in the foxtrot's passing figures which gently taper the lowering as the movement continues.

Spend some time watching actual dancers, and you will discover that these theories bear no relation to how the foxtrot is done. They are inventions of pure misunderstanding. A book, especially one that you misread, will not teach you this dance - you must study in person with those who actually know it.

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