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re: ECS - Ballroom vs. Non-Ballroom Style
Posted by twnkltoz
5/15/2003  4:37:00 PM
It's a styling thing. Ballroom dancers tend to be more upright in their posture and a little more...I don't know...ballroomy in their arm & body styling. "Street" swing dancers have a more forward posture, a bit relaxed and, dare I say, sloppier in their technique and styling.
re: ECS - Ballroom vs. Non-Ballroom Style
Posted by TheDitz
5/15/2003  6:26:00 PM
I've heard of it in Salsa. One of the first (maybe only ) times I went to a Salsa club. One of my lesson partners asked if I did ballroom. He could tell by the frame.

But it also could be the way to distinguish between triple and single time swing. I think I hear triple-time referred to once as the "Ballroom" swing.

*shrug*

-TheDitz
re: ECS - Ballroom vs. Non-Ballroom Style
Posted by KevinL
5/16/2003  5:32:00 AM
Originally posted by twnkltoz:
It's a styling thing. Ballroom dancers tend to be more upright in their posture and a little more...I don't know...ballroomy in their arm & body styling. "Street" swing dancers have a more forward posture, a bit relaxed and, dare I say, sloppier in their technique and styling.

I'm with twnkltoz on this one. Ballroom ECS looks ballroomy: precise and exacting. The non-ballroom ECS is very relaxed and free flowing, sometimes moving back and forth between single time and triple time.
In my experience, anyway, 8^)
re: ECS - Ballroom vs. Non-Ballroom Style
Posted by ChampionDancesport
5/15/2003  11:34:00 AM
Ghost-

That's a new one on me...I've never heard it put that way. Some people consider West Coast swing to be "non-ballroom" ECS...but that's the only thing I can think of.

Let us know
Re: re: ECS - Ballroom vs. Non-Ballroom Style
Posted by Stephen
1/3/2005  1:50:00 AM
East Coast Swing (Triple-step), like Salsa, was never meant to be ballroomish. Swing is a down & dirty, very loose, anything goes social dance. Yes, some frame & a lot of tone are required. However, the body is never upright & the knees are always bent. If you don't, you will be hurting for quite a while. In addition, ballroom swing "just ain't right!". :)
Re: re: ECS - Ballroom vs. Non-Ballroom Style
Posted by owendancer
1/3/2005  7:45:00 AM
Stephen: Yee Haa.. You are right on! The best thing you could've said, you said. "Some frame and a lot of tone are required" Most ballroom teachers are looking out for their pocketbook rather than the benefit of the student and they forget to preach no, hammer to their students the benefits of frame and tone. Owen
Re: re: ECS - Ballroom vs. Non-Ballroom Style
Posted by Don
1/3/2005  7:32:00 PM
I was supprised that a frame for the man that gives off a signal if anything goes out of line is easily available, and not that costly.
Re: re: ECS - Ballroom vs. Non-Ballroom Style
Posted by jano
1/4/2005  9:17:00 AM
Agreed -- some dances don't translate well into the Ballroom scene. ECS and Salsa are not meant to be danced upright in a fixed rigid frame. And that doesn't mean they are danced "sloppier" outside the ballroom world either.

WCS is the same way -- I absolutely hate dancing West Coast with people who learned it in the Ballroom world. They are very "heavy" to dance with and their style usually looks really bad.

Ironically, I believe ECS is best done in the Country Dance (competitive) world. I would have thought the Lindy Hop scene would have been the best, but they tend to write off ECS as an inferior form of Lindy. Competitve country dancers have given the dance a unique style as it's own dance.
Re: re: ECS - Ballroom vs. Non-Ballroom Style
Posted by sunshineboy78
1/14/2005  10:06:00 AM
As a ballroom dancer who has competed in American Rhythm (where both ECS and Mambo are done)and performed and social danced the street styles of the dances as well as competed in the Country Western form, I can tell you what I teach to be the difference. Swing, in it's basic form is two triples and a rock step, social leaders need to be aware of their followers and the music, followers need to be aware of their leaders and their balance. Once you get beyond that, East Coast Swing was created by the ballroom system, as was Jive. They are versions of swing that fit the techniques of Latin and Rhythm styles. Lindy Hop is the original swing and has no hip action, a prone posture, and a downward bounce. West Coast Swing is a derivative, like East Coast and Jive, of Lindy Hop. It comes from California, where movie directors wanted a version of swing that didn't rotate so much. That way you didn't get a camera full of someone's behind. The current style of West Coast swing has a lot to do with the music it's danced to.

Salsa/Mambo is pretty similar to the ballroom style. The Ballroom style tends to be more presentational and with straighter legs, but it should still have the same elements of hip action and connection.

Hope that was helpful
Solomon
www.solomonsinger.com
Re: re: ECS - Ballroom vs. Non-Ballroom Style
Posted by delightfuldance
5/22/2005  9:41:00 PM
What happened to Single Rhythm, Double Rhythm, then there is Triple Rhythm? Oh 4 count is a blast! Then of course WCS which is it's own animal as is Hustle (a swing yes). Delighted.

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