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Re: Attention to details.
Posted by Iluv2Dance
5/24/2008  4:12:00 AM
Serendipidy,
Look again and you will see a forward step on step 2 of the Reverse (Rev) Turn. It is not to the side until the turn has commenced. Also you'll notice that the hips are only turned on step 1 of the Rev, to bring the lady back into contact from the outside partner step which was danced in CBMP. Then it's the shoulders that continues the turn. The hips align up with the shoulders when the foot turn is made on step 2.

A common fault is for the man to continue to turn to the left, through the hips, which can cause the lady to be pushed back and to lose control of the heel turn on step 1.

Please don't write and tell me the definition of CBM, as used on step 1 of the Rev.

This message should keep you going for awhile, Serendipidy.
Re: Attention to details.
Posted by SocialDancer
5/24/2008  2:54:00 AM
"Is it just me, or would anyone else care to comment on what they see in these videos?"

Not really. We commented on the videos, text books, opinions and facts and seemingly endless discussions when Serendipidy raised this subject not long ago.

I guess he did not like our answers as he is trying again.
Re: Attention to details.
Posted by nigelgwee
5/24/2008  6:46:00 AM
Hello all! Thanks for joining in!

Quite often, what the textbooks say and what is actually done are quite different, e.g., side steps. Also the amounts of turn are not set in stone.
Re: Attention to details.
Posted by Iluv2Dance
5/24/2008  6:53:00 AM
Absolutely true nigelgwee.
There can be no exactitude in dancing, especially with amounts of turn.
Re: Attention to details.
Posted by Serendipidy
5/24/2008  4:50:00 PM
I would say that some of you like an ostritch have your head in the sand. I notice that nobody disagreed that the Reverse Turn is now being done differently to the way it was in the Stone Age. I would assume that the videos I mentioned were looked at. I don't see anybody claiming that the RF did moved any further than the spot it landed on which is backing the LOD.
There is no exactitude in dancing. What you are saying is you can please yourself. Not if you are backing the LOD absolutely square to your partner on step two of a Reverse Turn in the Foxtrot. If you don't see that then please write in and tell me what you think you do see.
Repeat after me. There are none so blind as they that will not see.
Do yourselves a favour and just go to Learn the Dances on this site. Then the Reverse Turn in the Foxtrot. Who is game to tell me how much turn is made on a Reverse Turn over the Left foot.
Re: Attention to details.
Posted by SocialDancer
5/24/2008  6:26:00 PM
"Repeat after me."

I'd rather not. This whole thread is already getting to be a repeat of this one;
http://www.ballroomdancers.com/Message_Board/view_messages.asp?Topic=30336
Re: Attention to details.
Posted by Iluv2Dance
5/25/2008  3:07:00 AM
/* Who is game to tell me how much turn is made on a Reverse Turn over the Left foot*/

Don,
The turn on the LF is only made when the majority of weight has been transfered to the RF. In other words, you don't purposely turn on the LF.

/*There is no exactitude in dancing. What you are saying is you can please yourself*/

Silly statement, but one to expect from you when you start to struggle. As SocialDancer pointed out, and rightly so, you have gone through this one before. You also covered this about two years ago, when you wrote telling me that the man didn't have a foot rise on step 4 of the Rev Turn.

I think the Natural Spin Turn should be next.
Re: Attention to details.
Posted by Serendipidy
5/25/2008  2:40:00 PM
lluv2dance. I take it that you have looked and studied closely the videos i have mentioned including the one on this site. If as you suggested that the second step of a Reverse Turn in the Foxtrot is straight ahead. That is not across the LOD as is written in the technique books. I can only say go to the Revere Turn Foxtrot on this site and tell us how much turn is over the man's LF. It will only take a minute. Then compare it to Luca or Marcus and you will find they are identical.
As for step four it has been in the books since the beginning that there is foot rise on step four of the Reverse Turn. I dont know why you think I said anything different Alex Moore makes a point
of saying this ( see page 23 )and the footwork is THT.
How did the Spin Turn get into this.
Just follow the correct technique. Half a turn over the LF , no rise untill the end of step five. The rest of the turn is made between step five and six.
Back to the Foxtrot. Unless the correct alignment and the CBMP is applied correctly the Reverse Turn will not be done as it should be done.
Lets analyse this a little further from the ladies side. She is doing a Heel Turn. If I step onto my RF. Doesn't that send the ladies weight to her Left when it needs to be over her RF on a Heel Turn ( singular ) and not Heels Turn which is plural. Do you see the difference.
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