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Re: Judging own pupils
Posted by jofjonesboro
8/19/2008  5:40:00 PM
Ginger, pro/am is fine for people who can afford it and who are not really suitable for an amateur partner.

I object to the practice of pushing people into pro/am who are not really suited for it. I especially despise the tactic of telling amateur couples that they'll learn faster if they split up and each do pro/am.

You hit the nail on the head with the word "small." The ballroom dance world is simply not large enough to permit the proper administration of judges at competitions. However, recognizing that fact shouldn't blind one to the inherent conflicts in allowing teachers to judge their own students.



jj
Re: Judging own pupils
Posted by terence2
8/24/2008  1:51:00 AM
That depends largely on the "level " of the comp.... ,.local one dayers, are difficult to administer , and are usually run more for fun than accomplishment .
ALL recog. comps have strict rules ,and each Judge has a regist # that is in a data bank, and will be checked for current status . ( we are also issued yearly ID cards by our Soc. )
Re: Judging own pupils
Posted by jofjonesboro
8/23/2008  5:40:00 PM
"SocialDancer. I only just came across this thread."

Polished, you started this thread.



jj
Re: Judging own pupils
Posted by Polished
8/23/2008  6:58:00 PM
For those who have been watching the Olympic 10 metre Platform Diving Final. It would have been very easy to have gone along with the favourite. But they didn't. They marked what they saw.It went down to the last two dives.It's a pity this doesn't always happen in Ballroom dancing.
Re: Judging own pupils
Posted by Iluv2Dance
8/23/2008  9:50:00 PM
Hi to all,
Do adjudicators decide who their winner will be - unless something drastic happens - before the final round is danced?

Re: Judging own pupils
Posted by terence2
8/24/2008  1:45:00 AM
We generally dont even talk to each other ( and some, not after ! )
Re: Judging own pupils
Posted by Clary
8/19/2008  1:18:00 PM
Judging the judges:
In university courses, professors are subjected to anonymous "student evaluations", the results of which are available for other students to review in evaluating whether they want to take a class with that professor.

I grant you, those "results" are/were often of very, very limited value. Often students will just fill in all 0s or all 5s and give no comments as to why they scored a professor as they did. But sometimes a few comments could be really valuable and insightful.

Perhaps something similar could be implemented for judges at dance competitions. Competitors could "rank" the quality of the judges at a competition. I grant you, impracticalities abound: not all competitors/spectators know who the judges are; not every dancer knows how to read scrutineers sheets to see how they were marked, etc., etc.

But if a particular judge got comments consistently across several competitiosn that s/he (for instance) didn't mark down a couple performing lifts that are prohibited, or (for instance) that a particular judge rarely gives recall out of a quarter-final or semi-final to a couple that consistently places in the upper half of finals . . . well, . . . at least competitors would have those comments/obersvations available to them and could weigh their value themselves. And maybe, just maybe, a judge on the receiving end of comments like that might take notice of the kind of judging reputation s/he is garnering.

Just a roaming thought. Shoot it down, if you like.
Re: Judging own pupils
Posted by terence2
8/26/2008  12:21:00 AM
Just to make it clear.. when we judge, our marks CAN and WILL be called into Q, if it appears that something untoward is occuring .

We can even be challenged before an event by another judge, if they believe reasons are warranted .

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