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Re: Going out into business
Posted by Telemark
2/23/2010  5:51:00 AM
Terence, no one's missed anything: Ondine doesn't say anything about the style - and as you say, you're guessing, yourself.

I don't read the post as implying two years instruction, followed by a year and a half of teaching, the post just says:

I've been learning dance for a couple of years now

I know you regularly defend the chain schools and their standards, and perhaps by those standards, this is nothing unusual, but count me out!
Re: Going out into business
Posted by terence2
2/23/2010  6:12:00 AM
I regularly defend ??.. I always try to be fair... Ive worked in all capacities for both chains .. some very good ones, AND some very bad ones.

And, i can say EXACTLY the same about the many indies in which I have worked.

Its invariably the bad things in life that get the " press ",, as the saying goes " if it bleeds it leads "..

Were very quick to admonish someone who we know little about.. and.. Im the first one usually, to advocate strong dance backgound before embarking on a dance career.. 3 plus yrs in Amer.style would be adequate IF the proper training was in order..

And I know that I made an assumption, but I based it upon the way they wrote their info ( also I believe theyre from the States ) Im sure they will respond..

One other thing I would like to point out.. YOUR assumption that their training was poor is in a way a direct affront to me. I trained hundreds of beginning teachers in the chain schools over the yrs ( 2 who went on to become US champions ).. in addition.. in many of todays schools,there are many very highly qualified teachers, many of European descent, that are more uptodate than many of my English colleagues !! .

When you look at blackpool results do you realise how many of those visit and train, in American chain studios ?... I NEVER see that in the UK ( ya gotta go to them ).

There are currently ,in Tampa , former british champs ( italian couple ) running a chain school.. you are way behind the times..

Re: Going out into business
Posted by dheun
2/23/2010  7:41:00 AM
While I think I made some vaild points in my earlier post, mark me down as understanding and agreeing with Terence's comments on this one. I could see where after a few years, you could teach bronze level fairly well.
I started teaching friends and others after going through the Fred Astaire studio program for about four years. I have since spent more years than that at a private studio, but it was a good transition. I don't have a particular problem or complaint with the chains, other than you have to be aware and careful of how their contracts work.
The private studio, it seemed, wasn't concerned about teaching you "too much" at one particular time, whereas the chains were more rigid in what you could learn for a certain amount of money.
All of that aside, I especially like Terence's view that you can be a very good teacher without having to be an outstanding dancer, per se. Some of the best dancers in our studio can't explain to others what they do or how they do it. I feel like I am quite good at explaining how something is supposed to look and feel, as well as the proper step patterns and frame/holds -- but I would categorize myself as only a "competent" dancer, not outstanding. Others give me more credit than that, but I know the difference.

Re: Going out into business
Posted by Telemark
2/23/2010  8:55:00 AM
3 plus yrs in Amer.style would be adequate IF the proper training was in order

But he doesn't say that he's had three years training, does he?
Re: Going out into business
Posted by belleofyourball
2/23/2010  9:24:00 AM
My comments had nothing to do with chain status or the disbelief that someone can reasonably teach beginners after dancing a few years. Not all chains are bad and not all indys are good and people learn at different rates.

His feeling that he had everything there was to know under his belt and that simply knowing the steps was all there was to dance is what bothered me. This arrogance suggests he does not begin to know what he does not know and I was under the same assumption for the first 6 months of dancing. He is years into it and doesn't know this yet.

People who think they have nothing left to learn should not be teaching or in any public field. I spent years in school to become a professional and I still spend two weeks a year in professional development and consult with colleagues because I don't always have an answer.

This guy just told us he has nothing left to learn. I'm not going to foster that attitude in anyone.
Re: Going out into business
Posted by silver
2/23/2010  11:45:00 AM

What are your thoughts of our opinions of this subject? It would be interesting to read your comments about our ideas and retorts to one another.
Re: Going out into business
Posted by fatimasdancer
2/23/2010  3:59:00 PM

I have been dancing for years, but in no means am I good enough to strike it out on my own. You said you are taking lessons at another studio, have you talked to that studio to see if you can get some teaching hours in? Finish your dance education, teach a few years, and then go out and open a business of your own.
Re: Going out into business
Posted by Anna
2/23/2010  6:37:00 PM
Why do people feel like they can be teacher? Did you go to school to learn? Did you get tested? Do you have the understanding of what it takes to run a dance school? if you answered no to any of these YOU ARE NOT A TEACHER!
And why is there no guide-lines when it comes to teaching and opening a studio? I have seen good people get money taken, given the wrong info, and then that makes real teacher look bad... Why dont you cut your own hair and pull your own teeth, its the same thing....
Re: Going out into business
Posted by Waltz123
2/23/2010  9:58:00 PM
Did you go to school to learn? Did you get tested? Do you have the understanding of what it takes to run a dance school?
Um, I can answer No to two out of three...
Re: Going out into business
Posted by Dancer
2/25/2010  8:33:00 AM
I had the same problem and am on my own and more then doubled in numbers in less then a year.Any REAL dancer continues to grow. Any REAL professional knows that.Sounds like the studio your at is not capable of evoling.Some students need things to be simple and basic however there are more students who do want quality.There are enough students to go around and nobody owns them.They have the right to choose.Focus on sharing your knowledge with your students and enjoy watching them grow.

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