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Re: Seriously? (Male partner wanted in Botswana)
Posted by Telemark
4/13/2011  3:10:00 PM
ooh yeah!
Re: Seriously? (Male partner wanted in Botswana)
Posted by belleofyourball
4/14/2011  8:00:00 PM
I don't see the word Botswana anywhere. I see someone who is ignorant writing ignorantly and someone excusing their ignorance based on an assumption.

There is no excuse for butchering the English language no matter what your ethnicity. Mistakes are understandable...what this individual has written looks like an ad for a hooker or a mail order bride.
Re: Seriously? (Male partner wanted in Botswana)
Posted by anymouse
4/15/2011  10:12:00 AM
"I don't see the word Botswana anywhere. I see someone who is ignorant writing ignorantly and someone excusing their ignorance based on an assumption."

It seems you are as ignorant of her language and culture as you accuse her of being of yours. No harm in that, I was too. But I had enough of a suspicion to drop "Motswana" into a search engine, and learned something kind of interesting about the way a particular language uses prefixes.

"There is no excuse for butchering the English language no matter what your ethnicity."

Someday you may learn that there are as many versions of the language as there are cultures which use it, especially those which use it to some degree alongside another.
Re: Seriously? (Male partner wanted in Botswana)
Posted by belleofyourball
4/17/2011  12:12:00 PM
Anymouse,

I have been to many countries and butchered many languages but I was trying.

English, written or otherwise requires the majority of letters to be written. This is stupid teeny bopper lazy garbage. Text speak is not any form of English and I think it is rude to subject strangers to it. Society as a whole is ever removing itself from basic manners with technology as an excuse. I say with the time technology saves us we should be capable of spelling out full words or at least trying.

There are a lot of people on here who have marginal English skills and that I don't have a problem with

....ooh yeah...am en love with ballroom dancer.............if u ar interest send me msg

This I do have a problem with. If you look in your email spam bucket you'll see similar messages from hookers, looking for a free ride to another country and trading their bodies for the opportunity.
Re: Seriously?
Posted by cbmp
4/17/2011  1:35:00 PM
"Text speak is not any form of English and I think it is rude to subject strangers to it. Society as a whole is ever removing itself from basic manners with technology as an excuse."

I wasn't going to dignify the original post on this thread by commenting in any form. But I think you've hit the crux of the matter.

There was a time when written English (or French, German, whatever) was more formal than the spoken form. I believe this is still true of most languages. But, for some reason, English seems to be a glaring exception, in spite of spell-checking and even grammar-checking capabilities on our word processors.

Sadly, these days even scientific and technical writing is not spared this insult. Let us tolerate neither this, nor sloppy posture/footwork.
Re: Seriously?
Posted by anymouse
4/18/2011  8:12:00 AM
While there are a few abbreviations such as might be used in mobile phone texting (which is a leading form of communication in some parts of the world), the main point is that the source language before the abbreviations is a very different form of english than the one most of us are familiar with. And it's really not our place to judge that local language by the standards of our different language.

Remember, it's a message of LOCAL interest, and aimed at a young adult audience. The people who are objecting are NOT examples of the people it was intended to appeal to.

The only actual mistake was posting it on a global forum without more prominently specifying the location or purpose.
Re: Seriously?
Posted by belleofyourball
4/18/2011  12:33:00 PM
This is from the CIA World Factbook...

Setswana 78.2%, Kalanga 7.9%, Sekgalagadi 2.8%, English (official) 2.1%, other 8.6%, unspecified 0.4% (2001 census)

So though it is the official language of the country it is not the most common langauge. It is the langauge used in business as it is in many parts of the globe.

I'm back to my original point...sheer laziness.

Re: Seriously?
Posted by Anonymous
4/18/2011  9:30:00 PM
"So though it is the official language of the country it is not the most common langauge. It is the langauge used in business as it is in many parts of the globe.

I'm back to my original point...sheer laziness"

How do you get from recognizing that English is not the language of common usage in a country, to criticizing someone who writes a message to a local audience in a local, living variant of it for being "lazy" ?

Re: Seriously?
Posted by anymouse
4/18/2011  9:31:00 PM
"So though it is the official language of the country it is not the most common langauge. It is the langauge used in business as it is in many parts of the globe.

I'm back to my original point...sheer laziness"

How do you get from recognizing that English is not the language of common usage in a country, to criticizing someone who writes a message to a local audience in a local, living variant of it for being "lazy" ?
Re: Seriously?
Posted by belleofyourball
4/19/2011  7:55:00 PM
What makes you assume that it isn't? Have you been to Botswana?

If only 2.1% of the population speaks English and it is used as a business language then it is most likely taught formally in schools. It is also likely this is the first time most people from Botswana learn it as a spoken language.

Formal language as taught in schools tends to be more polite as a rule. Therefore the line of logic says...she should be versed in polite English and not that garbage she wrote.

I do appreciate that you want to give her the benefit of the doubt...that is kind of you.

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