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Re: Follows to Natural Pivots
Posted by Avery
8/13/2014  4:42:00 PM
Hi,

I saw this thread and was wondering if anyone could tell me how many variations of timing there are for natural pivots in waltz? For example: 123 1&2&3 1 2&3 1&2 &3. Do all these work? Any advice would be helpful.

Re: Follows to Natural Pivots
Posted by Waltz123
8/13/2014  10:19:00 PM
For most smooth and standard dancers of average to above average skill level, the most pivots that can be reasonably squeezed into a single measure of Waltz is 4. Two pivots (presumably canter timing) are going to die a slow death at Waltz tempo, and so we are left simply with two choices: 3 or 4 pivots per measure.

3 pivots in a measure would in all but very rare circumstances be counted straight: 1,2,3.

As for 4, here's where you have options. The most popular timing is "1 and 2, 3", since it results in a very Waltzy lilt at the appropriate time, counts 2-3. However, there are times you may wish to modify that timing slightly, based on a number of factors such as what you're dancing before or after the pivots. With a single syncopation, we can presume that 3 of the steps will be taken directly on the beats, which leaves us with the choice of which "and" count to attach that extra step. In total, you have 3 "ands" in each measure, so take your pick and see what kind of timing it leaves you with, e.g.:

"1 and 2, 3"
"1, 2 and 3"
"1, 2, 3 and"

Technically, there's a fourth option if you use the "and" count from the previous measure, e.g. "and 1, 2, 3".

Someone will probably come along and say it's possible to double-syncopate a measure of pivots, i.e. take a total of 5 steps, two of which would fall on "and" counts. Of course, just because something is possible doesn't mean I'd necessarily recommend it. Nonetheless, if you really want to give it a try: (1) Good luck, (2) Use the same method above and simply choose two "ands" to attach the two extra steps, (2) It's probably better to put as much space between those "ands" as possible, such as "and 1, 2, 3, and".

Regards,
Jonathan
Re: Follows to Natural Pivots
Posted by Telemark
8/15/2014  5:59:00 AM
It was odd to see this topic pop up again. But by one of those strange coincidences, I was thinking, again, about Natural Pivots, just the other day.

I found a YouTube clip of an amalgamation of Overturned Natural Spin Turn (as though to be followed by a Turning Lock to R), but followed by 'Syncopated Natural Pivots' timed 1&23 and then the Turning Lock. It's a relatively easy amalgamation, and well worth using, but the pedant in me baulked: surely we don't have a Spin Turn, here, because man must pivot again on step 6, so that he can follow RF fwd (rather than RF back) into a pivoting action. We actually have 1-5 of a Natural Spin Turn, followed by Pivots timed 31&, 5-6 of Natural Spin Turn (23) and a Turning Lock (1&23).

Or could anyone describe it better?
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