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Re: First 3 of a Natural Turn
Posted by nloftofan1
12/28/2014  8:11:00 AM
You seem to be saying that technique (and practice) changes with time. This is not a surprise. The Double Reverse is called that because the amount of turn is twice what used to be the "normal" amount of turn. And there are many other examples.
Re: First 3 of a Natural Turn
Posted by O.Z.
12/29/2014  6:11:00 AM
In the Waltz.The Double Reverse Spin was introduced by Maxwell Stewart in 1924. It was called a Double Reverse Spin because he when introduced it, he did it twice, and named it a Double Reverse and usually finished going into a Whisk. It was about this time that the Forward Change which previously had been three passing steps was altered to forward side together as we know it today. Also the crossing of the feet on the third step of a Reverse Turn went out pf fashion. To get back to the Double Reverse. If we do one, that amounts to one complete turn. Do it twice and we have a double amount of turn, thus the name..
Re: First 3 of a Natural Turn
Posted by nloftofan1
12/29/2014  1:46:00 PM
I wasn't trying to start an argument about the reason for the name of the Double Reverse Spin. I was trying to make the point that there are many examples of changes in the way we do dance figures. The story I gave is from an instructor (ISTD Fellow) with many years of teaching experience. But O. Z. may be right. (The instructor who taught me the Double Reverse liked to have his students do it twice. He said that it wasn't hard to sort of do the Double Reverse, poorly, but it was nearly impossible to do it twice in a row without using correct technique.)

Another example both of differences in technique and possibly spurious stories is (American Style) Rumba. The basic movement is the box. Both BallroomDancers.com and DanceVision (among others) start with the leader moving his left foot forward (S). But many students have learned to start with the left foot moving to the side (the first Q). And many of these students have heard the story that Fred Astaire Studios started teaching it that way to avoid a lawsuit from Arthur Murray, which starts with the forward step. But there is a very entertaining old movie "short," called "Cuban Rhythm," that shows up on television (Turner Classic Movies shows it on U. S. television) from time to time. In that movie two professional instructors show how to dance the Rumba box, with credit given to Arthur Murray. And they start with the side step!

If you enter a competition, you have to follow the rules. But in social dancing, I think you can follow the advice of another instructor I know: "There are no wrong steps in dancing, just variations."
Re: First 3 of a Natural Turn
Posted by dave
12/29/2014  2:14:00 PM
Yes. I had a teaching video the Gleaves demonstrating the basic 18 of the Waltz, if you look closely the closing of the feet was progressive, by that I mean when moving foreword. He would close the free foot slightly forward of the standing foot and conversely when moving back. At that time he had more body flight than his competitors. The lock step has been changed to a cross step for the same reason .cheers
Re: First 3 of a Natural Turn
Posted by dave
1/3/2015  10:12:00 AM
oz, I am referring to the position of the right foot as it closes to the left foot it does not Close heal to heal and toe to toe but is placed in a progressive position either slightly forward of the left foot or slightly back ?
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