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Re: Finding the beat
Posted by Voco
2/18/2015  1:45:00 AM
Hi Martin,
This aspect of dancing is usually not taught properly, or totally neglected, by most dance teachers. Perhaps because they are not trained music teachers. Of course, there are exceptions, as our host Jonathan, who is an expert music teacher as well as a dance teacher.

The reason, I believe is that most dance teachers learn the recognition of beat-1 by instinct. What I am hearing from teachers is that men dancers have more difficulty of recognizing the 1 than lady dancers. So dont be too hard on yourself.

You hear all kinds of suggestions for clues. Like the 1 is the downbeat. When you ask how do I know which one is the downbeat, you get the answer: that is when the conductors baton moves down and the dance teacher looks at you with an expression on his face: you are you not very smart, are you?

Other teachers say listen for the 4 or 8 beat repetition pattern. Still others say try to recognize the 8-measure phrases and you will find beat 1. Some say start counting when the vocal start; that is beat 1. (Unfortunately not always.) And the useless suggestions go on.

Some will say keep listening to a music and connect the count with a vocal part which is 1 (first identified it by your teacher) and keep counting an eventually you get the recognition skill intuitively. Also, they add that you have to move your foot or hand at 1, not enough just saying it.

This last method is probably the best, but some songs still remain mysteries. This is just my humble observation. I am sure Jonathan can correct me and point you to a better method.

At any rate, let us know which method works for you.
Re: Finding the beat
Posted by obakeassassin
3/3/2015  5:25:00 PM
A few comments and some suggestions:

Songs Vary: some songs just have a steady beat, others have a pronounced pattern that will make the difference of feeling on or off. Depending on the dance, being off may feel fine until you will miss each major transition such as speed or intensity (being off by half a cycle, or worse by a few beats).

Examples of what to look for:
*A waltz with a pronounced downbeat on 1 & softer 2-2-3: ONE!-2-3, 2-2-3 -VS- no perceptible difference: 1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2-3...

*a foxtrot/swing vs a lindy: does the music have a cue for the quick step? slow-slow-quick-quick vs lindy 1 2 3&4, 5 6 7&8 (-VS-steady 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 with no indication)
**Good practice song: 1234 by Feist (it even counts for you!)**

*where does the music transition: If there is a dramatic change, the music may warn it is coming, but the change should actually occur on the 1 (usually).



Other tips:
*Listen & Count Out Loud! rather than dance: don't try to do too much. (Yes, the follows should typically have an easier time than someone trying to plan a next step or more)

*(non-waltz) Start bobbing or tapping to the steady part of the beat (I use my foot), then add in the count by feeling (i add in emphasis with an air guitar or drumming, then use that to find the 1).

*foxtrot/swing: sometimes Slow-Slow-Quick-Quick (or rock-step) is easier, other times 1-2,3-4,5,6 is easier.

*AVOID Dubstep while honing this skill: it plays with sound and is likely to do tricky things, for example lindy to Sail...

*In dance, don't let yourself drop steps while doing a move. Keep the count with your feet.

*Worry about the 1's, half-way points, the last step, or quick-steps (what do the dance steps naturally emphasize?). The evens and odds are way too much to try to track.

*listen for the quick-quick or step-AND-step (which means either the start or the half-way is next!)

*listen to a song, find the count, and WALK around moving in any direction to the count. Break out of the standard dance form and learn to instinctively step to the count wherever you move.

*Unless it is for competition, dancing is social. Don't be so focused on succeeding or failing the music's count that you break YOUR dance. (sometimes the music is even a hindrance)

Story: I have danced to a song with a periodic halt that my partner and I missed each time and then did when the music withheld the halt and it was a lot of fun for both of us listening, trying and totally bombing it.




*final recommendation: get a group of friends, put a song on with a recognizable count.
Get on count and start dancing and doing moves. Focus on checking that you are on right part of the count.
If you get off, correct it (don't stop and restart, rather, correct while still dancing).
If you are off and don't seem to realize it or correct it soon, your friends standing around watching should be listening to the music and watching you. They start saying the count out loud ("one two three-And-four five six seven-and-eight") until you have corrected and seem to be stable on count.
Start easy and go more difficult.
(optional) After a little while, perhaps have a friend start bumping into you while you are dancing (not your partner). You must keep the count even while they attempt moderately to interrupt your normal step pattern.
*this does 2 things: helps you hear the count, and helps you fix it amid a dance.
Re: Finding the beat
Posted by nloftofan1
3/4/2015  9:50:00 AM
One suggestion: instrumental music. Sometimes singers sing ahead of or behind the beat. That's fine, musically, but it makes finding the beat that much harder.
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