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Try this (why it ain't isosceles)
Posted by Anonymous
5/4/2007  7:04:00 AM
Try this:

Stand with both feet flat on the floor, seperated front to back maybe about 75 cm and body exactly in between, legs straight.

Now articulate your feet, so that your front toe is raised and your back heel is raised.

Where did your body go?

If you said it's still in the middle, take a look at your back knee. It's not straight any more, is it.

Start over from flat feet and then articulate them again, this time keeping both knees straight.

Where did your body go?

That's right, it's now substantially closer to the front foot than the back one.

The triangle is not isosceles - the back leg with it's raised ankle is effectively longer than the front leg with it's low ankle - or it would be, if your remembed not to bend that back knee.
Re: Try this (why it ain't isosceles)
Posted by JB_Locke
5/4/2007  9:55:00 AM
Hold that position and we have a new form...ballroom Yoga!
Re: Try this (why it ain't isosceles)
Posted by Wow
5/4/2007  4:04:00 PM
Anonymous. You are drawing a diagram of a person standing stationary.We are moving are we not.
Re: Try this (why it ain't isosceles)
Posted by Wow
5/4/2007  5:32:00 PM
Also an isosceles has two sides of an equal length. With our feet articulated aren't we at an equal distance from our extremities.
Re: Try this (why it ain't isosceles)
Posted by Anonymous
5/4/2007  8:11:00 PM
"Also an isosceles has two sides of an equal length. With our feet articulated aren't we at an equal distance from our extremities."

No. That's what this illustrates. If you keep your legs straight as your articulate your feet (most people at first probably will not), then your back ankle end up higher than your front ankle. This makes your back leg longer, and forces your body closer to your front foot.

I agree that we wouldn't spend time here when dancing. In fact, I never even pass through this split weight position. But it always amuses me to see people describe what it would be like, and then miss this simple fact: the triangle that would result if you divded your weight between feet articulated in this way will not be isosceles - unless you bend your back knee, your body will necessarily be closer to your front foot.

Happily body closer to your front foot - which occurs even if you move though without splitting your weight at mid stride - makes partnering substantially easier.
Re: Try this (why it ain't isosceles)
Posted by Quickstep
5/5/2007  1:32:00 AM
Slavik says there are a million positions of the body when moving from one leg to the other. You must go through that half way point. To say you never pass through this split weight position is ridiculace. Do you jump over it like a hurdler.
Re: Try this (why it ain't isosceles)
Posted by Anonymous
5/5/2007  6:20:00 AM
"Slavik says there are a million positions of the body when moving from one leg to the other."

And there are also many paths you can take.

"You must go through that half way point. To say you never pass through this split weight position is ridiculace."

Well it's a fact that I don't.

But my real argument was that the people who wish to, are either doing it wrong, or not corectly describing what they do.

It's a simply FACT that with straight legs and foot rise on the back foot, but no foot rise on the front foot, the resulting different height of your ankles will make your back leg effectively longer and require that your body be closer to the front foot than to the back one.

Someone who tries to tell you that the body will be exactly halfway in between in this situation either is bending their back knee, or simply has not actually looked in the mirror to confirm the reality of the situation.
Re: Try this (why it ain't isosceles)
Posted by Quickstep.
5/5/2007  5:34:00 PM
So are you saying you never pass the half way point on your travell from forward or back. Do you manage that with everything you do. Crossing the Atlantic for instance. Do you some how get teleported from one side to the other never having been half way. Beam me across Mt Spock.
Re: Try this (why it ain't isosceles)
Posted by Anonymous
5/6/2007  8:08:00 AM
"So are you saying you never pass the half way point on your travell from forward or back."

I do not normally pass through the halfway point that you seek to pass through; specifically, my weight leaves the old foot before it begins to arrive on the new one, in the swing dances I ordinarily I have no point where it is divided beteween the two.

But that is really beside the point of this thread: was this thread is about is proving that if you do seek to split your weight between two articulated feet, and intend to keep your knees stright, then your body wil HAVE TO BE CLOSER TO THE FRONT FOOT THAN TO THE BACK.

That is simply, irrefutable geometry.
Re: Try this (why it ain't isosceles)
Posted by Quickstep
5/6/2007  11:45:00 PM
Not till the front toe touches the floor. Your geometry teacher was no dancer.

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