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Look at the Quickstep
Posted by Serendipidy
12/12/2007  4:36:00 PM
Has it been given any thought that if we wish to do a Quarter Turn down the LOD followed by a Progressive Chasse, and a Lock Step into a Spin Turn. We have to do either two Locks or a Double Lock. An Open Lock would also work. Or start the Quarter Turn on the RF on beats 3 4. That`s not exactly correct is it.
Re: Look at the Quickstep
Posted by terence2
12/13/2007  1:20:00 AM
I,m not quite sure what your Q implies ?-- Anyhow-- whether you are commencing your spin down LOD or at a corner , it may be proceeded by any nat. fig. where the feet are closing to back the lod .
The book gives the fig. comm. and finishing moving down the lod.( or may be underturned )
I invariably teach this at a corner thus reducing the amount of rotation ( its where most dance it anyway )
NB-- the 4th step should read--moving to back d.w. instead of toe turned in .
Re: Look at the Quickstep
Posted by Iluv2Dance
12/13/2007  1:28:00 AM
Hi to All,
Can anyone remember when this 'Phasing' of routines became essential? It was just an idea of mine that it could have been the new professionals when working on their demonstration routines. Why didn't the giants of the past not do this? Quite a few years ago, talking to a recording band leader, he said that by playing the dance tracks in a 4 bar intro into sets of 16 bars really did increase the sales for popular bands. Talking about new professionals, I attended a lecture at Blackpool given by a new professional couple. He had the music put on and he attempted to call the group in. When the music started he just shouted, NOW! Of course, the group just started laughing, some attempted, some stood. In the end one of the group took the mike and called the group in with a preparatory count. Merry Christmas to all.
Re: Look at the Quickstep
Posted by terence2
12/13/2007  5:23:00 AM
There have been 2 major changes that have affected the way that QS is performed .

1st-- the change from 2/4 to 4/4 time .( long time back )

2nd-- in the world of comp., todays growing absence of chasses, and the tendency to have a continuous "flow " of motion, has brought a new dimension to the way one should end a " sequence "-- it kinda punctuates the " story " being told .
Re: Look at the Quickstep
Posted by SocialDancer
12/13/2007  6:42:00 AM
The 4 bar intro and 16 bar phrases is just what is required by sequence dancers. Everyone dances the same pre-choreographed 16 bar sequence, repeated throughout the track. Thousands of these sequence dances have been published over the last 60+ years, in all rhythms.

In the UK, the market for such music is much greater than for un-phrased versions so I am not surprised by the band leaders comment.
Re: Look at the Quickstep
Posted by Serendipidy
12/13/2007  8:54:00 PM
Luv2dance. Music is 8 bar phrased. It is possible to hear the difference between the 8th bar and the next bar as it is possible to hear the 4th bar which should not be mistaken for the 8th.
Social dancer. If you are into English Sequence Dancing you will no doubt know they are 16 bar routines which repeat after the 16th bar with everybody starting again on the same beat with the same step. Where it falls down is it is hard , or rather impossible to compose a dance that stays in rhythm with the music. As we by this time are aware that a Feather Step normaly starts on beats 1 2 (Slow). In the UK Foxtrot they start on the LF on 1 2. The same with the Glen Roy. In Australian New Vogue The Barklay Blues the same. To make it easier to understand. Suppose you made up a dance. It will have a certain number steps. Now you have to fit that into the number of beats there are in 16 bars of music. Its not easy. At the end you might find that you need another two steps to start again but the music has reached the 16th bar. So now you have to find a place in the choreography where you can add two steps. Sometimes you may have to lose two steps or more. Interesting isn`t it.
Re: Look at the Quickstep
Posted by anymouse
12/20/2007  7:38:00 PM
"In the UK Foxtrot they start on the LF on 1 2."

They land the prep step as well as the final step of each SQQ pattern actually into what is technically the time of the next measure. Because this is constant throughout the dance, it has no net effect on the phrasing - each SQQ pattern still requires exactly one measure worth of time. But this is the relationship of footfalls to beats needed to move your body in a way that actually matches the music.
Re: Look at the Quickstep
Posted by Serendipidy
12/21/2007  9:29:00 PM
In the UK. Foxtrot that first step on the man`s LF is not a preperation step It is the beginning of that dance. Which means they are dancing the Feather Step 3 4 1 2. Which is out of character with the music which is playing 1 2 3 4.
There is a dance called the Feta Foxtrot obviously composed by somebody who knew what they were doing.It starts on the correct beat on the correct phrasing and does so right through the whole sixteen bars to start again. This I might add is most unusuall in Sequence Dancing in 4/4 time.
Re: Look at the Quickstep
Posted by SocialDancer
12/22/2007  4:49:00 AM
"In the UK. Foxtrot that first step on the man`s LF is not a preperation step It is the beginning of that dance."

It is quite common in social classes for teachers to begin their foxtrot with a LF walk, but it is not universal. I for one, do not teach it that way.

I suspect anyone qualified with the IDTA, who use Guy Howard's text, would use the RF, but the others are more likely to use the LF.

I think it probably started as a prep step in the teachers own routines but it is not usually explained that way to classes because the prep step is regarded as more competitive style.

Many ISTD teachers also add the extra LF to the end of the feather, making 5 steps in all. This may go back to the original Victor Silvester introductory count of S-S-QQ-S.

Part of the reason may also be a misguided attempt to help beginners by making a rule that the man always starts with his LF. This unwritten rule certainly seems to apply to sequence dances. Of over 3000 dances, less than a handful start with the man's RF.

The Feta as mentioned is a nice foxtrot which also starts with the LF but does so by going straight into a reverse turn, check and weave.
Re: Look at the Quickstep
Posted by terence2
12/22/2007  8:41:00 AM
Prep steps have been around forever-- nothing intrinsically wrong with them---- IF used correctly with the music .

As much as adding a Slow on the end--was often advised ( way back ) not to finish on a Q .

the irony is, much of what we dance, can readily become out of rhythm, knowing how, when and where to correct that , resolves those issues .
Re: Look at the Quickstep
Posted by Serendipidy
12/25/2007  8:49:00 PM
Social Dancer. In the International Style you can also start with the man`s LF as long as you start on beats 3 4 which is a slow. You can also if you wish use the 4th beat on the LF as a quick.
If you work it out and wished to use part of the Feta Foxtrot. Most judges expect to see a Feather Step performed.You could start on the LF on 3 4, do a Feather . Skip the Check and Weave, instead do the normal Reverse Turn and Three Step. Then carry on to the end as is. As I said before. The person who composed that Foxtrot was no ordinary throw it together merchant. It is actually a good routine with the Chair, Wrong Foot Lunge. Curving Feather. Back Feather then Left Side Feather for the lady and Check followed by the Open Telemark using a different alignament than normal. ( which is diag to wall against the LOD ). finishing diag to centre. Thats 12 bars up to that point, 4 bars to go. Very cleverly put together.
I can`t think of any reason why most of these Sequence Dances start on the LF as part of the dance, which is not an introductory step and always on the wrong beats of 1 2.. Maybe somebody out there knows. Is it because the composers didn`t , or don`t understand the music they are composing to.
Re: Look at the Quickstep
Posted by Anonymous
3/5/2008  1:46:00 PM
the same arrangers use the other approach of srarting a feather on 34 in some of their other arrangements. either format is considered acceptable in sequence.
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