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Back Feather
Posted by paulw
3/10/2008  7:41:00 PM
The lady's footwork for the standard (forward) feather is TH, TH, TH. The man's footwork for the BACK feather is TH, T, TH.

Could anyone explain why the man's footwork for the back feather is not the same as the lady's footwork for the standard feather.
Re: Back Feather
Posted by Serendipidy
3/10/2008  9:48:00 PM
Paulw If this was a Back Feather as in a Continuouse Reverse Wave I would expect the Lady when she does the Man's Feather Step to use the same footwork which is Heel of RF.Toe of LF and Toe Heel of RF Then into the man's Three Step. Then the Feather again. This is the International Style.
Re: Back Feather
Posted by Iluv2Dance
3/11/2008  12:41:00 AM
Hi Paulw,
The reason why the man dances a toe is to keep his weight and poise forward to the lady. A similar case, for the man, can be found in the footwork of step 5 in the Reverse Wave. Although the lady dances the footwork of the man's 3 step, over steps 4,5,6,in the Reverse Wave, he doesn't lower the heel on each step.

Postscript. If I'm required to answer any posting, I will not be available till the weekend.
Re: Back Feather
Posted by Serendipidy
3/11/2008  1:27:00 AM
Paul. IF you Google Marcus Hilton youtube and find your way to his Basic Foxtrot. You will see a few bars of the Wave. They are doing the one where the lady stays in line and not outside on the Feather. Have a look at her and his footwork.
Re: Back Feather
Posted by paulw
3/11/2008  6:46:00 AM
re: iluvtodance

The reason why the man dances a toe is to keep his weight and poise forward to the lady.


I can understand that. Also the toe footwork for the man seems fine in view of the rise. But why does the lady need to lower her heel (on step 2 of the normal feather that is). Does your logic work conversely too ? ie is it the case she lowers her heel to keep her poise back ?

Interestingly, the lady does not always lower her heel when the man dancesw toe footwork. A good example of the latter is the curved 3-step where step 2 has toe footwork for both man and lady. It would be interesting to know the reason for this too.
Re: Back Feather
Posted by cdroge
3/11/2008  11:38:00 AM
Paulwy.The reason the Lady lowers her heal is to keep the movement flowing across the floor as required for Foxtrot.
Re: Back Feather
Posted by Serendipidy
3/11/2008  3:10:00 PM
Paul. I am suprised why considering you questions you haven't yet mentioned NFR ( No Foot Rise ). A lot of people over a lot of years have been dancing according to the basic technique and will continue to do so .Just find yourself a good technique book and follow it.
If on the second step of the Feather as the man rises at the end of one is up for two and three and lowers at the end of three. If the lady rose as abruptly as the man does on two, which would have its beginning at the end of the first step, she being in front would be leading. When I use the word abruptly is doesn't mean hurl yourself onto step two in the Feather.
When you suggested that the lady might lower to keep her weight back. The ladies weight is never back. Neither is yours.
Curving Three Step becomes a tight turn. To have a heel on the second step would go against the grain. You would have a tendency to go outwards against the curve.
Don't argue against the technique book. The Technique has been in existence longer than you have.Good Luck
Re: Back Feather
Posted by paulw
3/11/2008  6:48:00 PM
Serendipity:

I am not arguing with the technique books (which, incidentally, i do have), and I do know what the technique is. I am just interested to hear people's ideas on reasons why. That to me is the most interesting part. And sadly the part given little if any coverage in the technique books.

On the subject of NFR, it was the lady's poise I referred to as being kept back through NFR - not weight distribution.
Re: Back Feather
Posted by Serendipidy
3/11/2008  7:53:00 PM
Poise is all about weight distribution. for who ever is going backwards man or lady. The standing leg will bend towards the front. The moving foot will go to the tip of the toe. The further the knee bends , the further the foot will move. At the end of the stride the toe will become a ball as the weight is sent back over it. The heel of the standing foot will not touch the floor untill the moving foot is passing. I have omitted the action of the moving foot. I think a look at the Learn The Dances is needed . It's all there.
Re: Back Feather
Posted by paulw
3/11/2008  9:37:00 PM
The point I was making was it is possible to have backward poise and forward weight distribution. They are related but not the same. The lady has backward poise the whole time whereas her weight (like the man) is either forward or (at the extent of the stride) or equally distributed.

Anyway - we digress.

Looking back over the array of input the consensus is the lowering of the heel for these NFR type ladys steps is to do with (a) achieving progession of movement and/or (b)maintaining backward poise.

But by lowering the heel won't the lady travel further than the man, say on step 2 of the feather. And there are forward steps for the lady that are taken on toes of both feet without lowering (eg step 3 of natural weave) where there doesn't seem to be any problem with maintaining backward poise.

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