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Common Mistake
Posted by Serendipidy
4/10/2008  1:11:00 PM
For the lady. The first two steps you ever take in a Quarter Turn in the Quickstep.
1. LF back diag to wall turning to the right.
2. RF to the side on same LOD BACKING THE WALL
3. Close RF to LF 9 face diag. to centre.
Step 2 and 3 if the turn is made too early the lady being on the inside will arrive before the man and will consiquently lose the correct position she should be in.
This occurs in many of the dances. V. Waltz is another.
It could be called turning and arriving too early with a total disregard for the partners body position.
If this is taught early before the bad habit becomes muscle memory it can only benifit the dancers future development. Also take a look at the first three of a Natural in the Waltz for the lady, especialy on step two.
This is one thing that can be learnt from a Technique Book
Re: Common Mistake
Posted by SocialDancer
4/10/2008  2:37:00 PM
Oh no, here we go again!

You are mis-quoting from Alex Moore's Ballroom Dancing which is not a recognised technique book.

If you just used that description, without the benefit of Alex's footprint diagrams, which way would the lady's foot be pointing on step 2?

Every teacher has their own favourite way of teaching basic figures to beginners, usually involving careful demonstration rather than description. A good teacher will have half a dozen different ways of explaining the same basics because every pupil has a different way of learning.

The technique books are not intended to teach you to dance. They are a reference standard against which to examine a prospective teacher.
Re: Common Mistake
Posted by anymouse
4/11/2008  7:47:00 AM
"2. RF to the side on same LOD BACKING THE WALL"

Indeed, as SocialDancer points out this is misquoted.

The actual quote from "Ballroom Dancing" is "body backing to wall" - that's a body alignment, not the foot alignments usually given in technique book charts.

If you look at the footprint diagram a page or two later, it's quite clear that the alignment of the foot on step 2 is diagonal center, in other words the lady's FEET make 1/4 turn between steps 1 and 2.
Re: Common Mistake
Posted by Serendipidy
4/13/2008  6:46:00 PM
Anonymous. Its not about feet, it is about dancing the movement. How could anyone make such a big mistake. The lady will make the Quarter Turn as the foot on step three closes. At the end of step three the lady will have completed her turn.
I mean this is probably the first steps taken by a beginner. If they are not taught correctly there, what other steps are not being taught correctly. You have never done a Professional Examination if you did your answer would not be the one they are looking for. That is one of the first things you would be questioned on.
Ask yourself also. Does the lady do exactly the same on the second third step of a Natural in the Waltz.
Don`t forget where you learnt this.
Re: Common Mistake
Posted by anymouse
4/14/2008  2:38:00 PM
Serendipity, both Ballroom Dancing and the ISTD technique book may it quite clear that the lady's second step is already in the new DC alignment, while her body turns less and only completes the turn later.

That is the answer to be expected in professional examinations.
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