Is the International Style of Dancing a Sport. Of course it is and has been recognised as such for years in some European countries. In those countries it had to be recognised by them as a sport to get access to money and other benifits that is available for other sports. It was a major step forward to be recognised by the IOC but I think only a fool would ever think that it will be part of the Olympics. There are two many problems. Take just one name for instance. The now retired but stiil demonstrating throughout the world Brian Watson. Which country could he represent. He is a South African who has danced for England as well as Germany with partners who are from which country and in turn have danced for a few different countries. Michael Wentink now dances with a Japanese partner for Japan is another. Other problems that come from mixed partnerships, some of them are here today and gone tomorrow, you can figure out for yourselves.
no subject Posted by casablanca 7/9/2007 10:15:00 PM
I would say as I always tell people....Dancing is "the Sport of the Arts" you do the math! Enjoy! and keep on Dancing
Who says there is no competition in Ballet???? My sister took bellet very seriously for many years and was even accepted into some prestigious ballet schools in Boston and NYC. Ballet is VERY compeitive. After all, who dosen't want to a be a prima dona ballerinia? Who dosen't want the middle of the stage as thier own? Don't let the sweet ballerina's act fool you, they want the spotlight all to themseles and will do ANYTHING to get it. My sister was ALWAYS complaning about the "other girl" who got the lead this time ( even if she was the better one the next). Ballet's tougher and more physically demanding then we think. Same goes with ballroom as it can get highly competitive.
Ballroom Dancing is officially recognised as a sport. When the IDSF tied us to the IOC (International Olympic Committee } I wonder if they ever believed that Ballroom dancing would ever be an Olyimpic Sport. There are to many obsticles in the way. One is. Can a South African born, dancing for Germany with a German partner ever represent Germany. Or could they both represent South Africa. There are so many mixed partnerships. We have Americans dancing with Russians. English with Australian and so on. It is never going to work. In some countries we have representing that country couples of which neither of them were born in that country. To be continued, I`m sure.
Simple solution-- the man assumes the country of origin in mixed couples . The representation , for non residents, in their own country, could be by selection from the parent country of the couples in Q .
team matches and formations would not be a problem . The bigger Q-- would it be all Amat ?-- basketball has virtually all prof,s , as well as show jumping .
Terence2. The same rules must apply right across the board whether it be Dancing, Tennis, Soccer or whatever. A very highly ranked ladies tennis doubles pair are one from the USA and the other from Australia. They would have to split if they were to take part in an Olympic event. Do you think that for one moment that the best dancing pair in any country are going to pair up with another and put their real partnership on hold for a few months if they are selected
Terence2. Don`t you think that the same rule must apply to all Olympic Sports. Could I be part of a relay team running for Jamaca in one Olympics and running for the USA in the other four years later. If it were allowed we would have the poaching of athletes on a large scale to bolster up an Olyimpic team.. Unless you believe that special dispensation should be given to Ballroom dancers. The names you used are one is from the UK and the partner is from Russia. Both are dancing out of the USA. To make it more difficult both are Professional. And the WDC is not a part of the IOC. The IDSF which is, is Amateur. It is an impossible situation.
I think in the UK where the people who do the monthly letter service call the social side of things the Hobby Class which is seperated from the Medal and Competition Dancing. They often say this group is suitable for the high grade medal or competition class. I think Hobby Class just about explains itself and doesn`t fit into the term sport.In my oppinion we have two seperate entities here if that is the corect word to use.
Hi Je Yeon, You have raised a fantastic, straight to the point, question but unfortuantely I believe the answer is very ambiguous. In my opinion I believe that dancing can't be classified as either a sport or an art but is rather defined by each person that experiences it. Basically what I am saying is dancing is neither sport nor art but is rather whatever the dancer or spectator defines it as.
In my opinion dancing is an art and not a sport. I can't argue against the fact that it is not a sport, but I can say that the reasons why one would classify dancing as a sport can also be the criteria that classify dance as an art.
Firstly dance is an expression. It is physical movement that conveys emotions, story's and character. There is a point to each movement (we don't just do something for no reason, it has meening) and there are special techniques that are used to be able to convey and communicate our story to those that watch us. This is similar to visual arts where artists use special techniques (ie brush technique, texture, etc) to help create a story that people can interpret. Art is a form of creation, artists create meening and definition by touching peoples emotions. Dancing involves physical movement to create story's which is a characteristic of art.
People tend to argue the fact that when one performs dancing in competition it immediately turns in to sport. I will not criticise this opinion and nor shall I try to disprove it but I will provide with my reasoning as to why competition dancing for me is still defined as art. Consider an art exhibition in an art gallery. Judges have certain criteria that they use to choose a winner. In almost all cases the winner is the artwork that has the greatest impact on the judges (touches their emotions, greatest depth, etc). Each artwork is judged on its own merrits. Rather than competing against eachother, each artwork presents what it has to offer- the story hidden in it, the emotions conveyed the technical expertise. Same in dancing. I do not believe that dancers compete against one another. I do not view it as competition but I do believe that it is an exhibition with each couple having their individual strong points. These strong points are the different characteristics of their art. The winner will be the one who has the greatest impact on the spectators and judges. It is not saying that they are better than the others, but is rather saying that what that artwork has to offer has the greatest impact on people.
Finally someone argued that dancers are athletes because they have to keep their body in tip top shape. I argue that dancers are not required to keep their body in great shape, they choose to. One can still create if they are out of shape but will that have such a strong impact on people? If one finds your artwork offensive then they will not try to interpret it nor find the many meanings that are hidden in it.
Dr Elle. Its impossible to answer question. Take Figure Skating, its a sport and yet Ballet isn`t. They both move to music. They both interpret the music and also they both act. With the Skating I have in mind the Pair Skaters featured in, " Andre Rieu in Vienna ", skating and acting to the theme from the Titanic My Heart will go On. In some countries because dancing is classed as a sport they have access to their various Institutes of Sport and have done for years. Then there is local funding for Ballroom Dancing on an equall to Soccer or Baseball or Athletics and so on.
Not that I can add much to a posting that has more than 30 entries, but I was a sportswriter by trade for many years, and still freelance sports stories for a daily newspaper for side income to this day. For whatever it is worth, the editors at the paper also assign me any dancing or ballroom dancing type features or events stories. Partly because they know I am interested in it and dance in local shows and such, but also because I think they view it as an athletic endeavor as well as an art form. One of my favorite sports to watch is boxing, one of my favorite activities is ballroom dancing. The two are similar in the training, footwork, strength, balance and practice they take. One is violent, the other elegant. I learned both at a young age, and they are both dear to my heart to this day, some 50 years later. Both are sports -- athletic and artistic.
Serendipity as I said previosly I believe that only in my opinion can dance not be classified as a sport and in saying so I would also argue that Ballet and Figure Skating are artistic are a form of art. I am not saying that people have no right to call Skating a sport, but what I am trying to say is the exact opposite- Activities such as Dancesport, Ballet and Figure Skating can not be categorically fixed as sport or art, but rather those that participate in and experience these activities must decide how to define them for themselves. Serendipity I am also aware that in some countries dance is classified as a sport and is thus funded by government organisations. But in my opinion I do not believe that just because dancesport is sanctioned by the IOC as a sport it is deffinately a sport. I am sure that there is a large population of dancers in these countries that do not agree with the definition that their government has applied to dance. But we must face the fact that as a sport dance will be much more succesful than an art due to the large amouont of media coverage it will attract. Since the IOC accepted dancesport, I would argue that our activities popularity has grown and grown with a higher demand for it shown through the creation of shows like Strictly Dancing, So You Think You Can Dance, Dancing With The Stars, etc. In my opinion those that do believe that dancing is a form of art will remain quiet when so many benneficial things are happening to what they love just because the world around them believes it to be a sport and not an art. I think that you are right, it is impossible to answer the question raised. However answer me this question; Are those that participate in dancesport artists or athletes? I believe that once we have answered this question we will be able to understand Ji Yeon's question more thoroughly.
DeElle. I am of no importance and my oppinion counts for nothing. If it was left to me I would never have been instrumental in having Ballroom dancing classed as a sport. And to even consider that it could become an Olympic Sport is too stupid for words. Look at the problems. A Russian dancing with an American. And none of them just for the sake of a few days would even consider dancing with one of their own nationality and cause a break with their regular partner. But now the IDSF have caused another problem by joining the IOC. Now they could call at my house anytime any day in or out of competition and ask for a sample.But they will never call on me because I am a nobody. Some guy in St Petersburg got lumbered because he wasn`t in the home that was down as his residence when they called. There was no competition pending neither had there been. Incidently if you are a professional competitor and they asked for a sample, which they wouldn`t. You could tell them where to shove their bottle.
Serendipity I am not to sure how relevant your last comment was to the question at hand and I can't say that I clearly made a connection between what you and I posted. It sounds to me that what you wrote has got more relevance to politics than philosophy. I will not argue for or against the IDSF and I will not critique their policies. I am currently aware of the present tension in our dancing world between the major organisations and I REFUSE to involve myself in it.
The only part of your question that I will comment on is the fact that you do not agree with the IDSF's authority to request a sample for drug analysis. Personally I believe that this rule is an absolute necessary. This has nothing to do with art or sport but it has to do with law and equity. This rule ensures that those who participate in dancesport are not drug addicts or users which has a positive impact on the future of the sport. Imagine if there was no checking system in place. Younger dancers in the Juvenile and Junior age groups would be admiring not only the fact that there favourite dancers inspire them but also developing beliefs that the top dancers in the world frequently use illegal substances. They would then begin to 'experiment' in an attempt to 'be like the best'. A generation of lives destroyed to drugs. IDSF has developed this rule for this reason and also to ensure that no couple has any 'unfair' or 'morally questionable' competitive advantage over their competition.
At this point I would like to acknowledge that what I just wrote alludes to 'sporting' terms like 'competition', 'competitive advantage', 'the best'. When I think of dance, such words are not at the forefront of my vocabulary. However, the IDSF's rules are developed on the presumption that dancers are athletes. As a result we must analyse their rules from an athletic point of view and not an artistic one.
Most importantly I would like to conclude by saying even though the organisation may have defined dancing as a sport and continues to try to develop dance as a sport, not all of us dancers are on the same wavelength as the rules and must thus occasionaly adapt our beliefs 'temporarily' to those of the organisations.