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name that waltz step
Posted by hesitation
10/7/2010  4:57:00 PM
What's the name of the international waltz step that ends in this position:
http://www.thedancestoreonline.com/images/pose-waltz.gif
Usually this pose would last for a few seconds, their lower body would stay still while the upper body would sway around.
I checked the syllabus steps but none of them looks like it. If I remember correctly the man did a back step with the left leg to enter this position.
Not necessarily Waltz.
Posted by jofjonesboro
10/7/2010  8:25:00 PM
Because dance is a dynamic activity, it's not so simple to discern the identity of a step - or in this case a line - from a still picture.

It looks like an X-line but that's essentially a Tango and not a Waltz pose.

It could be a snapshot of some sort of ronde' in mid-step but it's not one that I recognize and that movement would not fit your description.

It's definitely not a Same Foot Lunge.

jj
Re: Not necessarily Waltz.
Posted by anymouse
10/7/2010  8:23:00 PM
I would vote for a double ronde to fallaway as there are few other legitimate reasons for the man's left leg to be that far out from his body while that straight. The couple is also much more oriented off of each other than would normally be tolerated, suggesting that they are moving backwards while presenting forwards.

That's nothing really tango like about that picture at all - more likely foxtrot or waltz.
Can
Posted by jofjonesboro
10/7/2010  8:31:00 PM
A Ronde' would not end in that position nor would it hold it.

Of course, I'm assuming that hesitation's description is accurate.

jj
Re: Can
Posted by anymouse
10/7/2010  8:52:00 PM
"A Ronde' would not end in that position nor would it hold it."

It's not a held position. The ronde is less than half done - when it's is finished, the outside legs will be back in fallaway.

The picture doesn't really have the kind of inward essence of partnering to balance the outward presentation that is normally expected of skilled dancers - so it's either in motion during an atypical action like a double ronde to fallaway where everyone compromises a little, or its simply less skilled folks mugging for a camera and not exactly doing any of the line figures, but simply something that they think looks presented.
What a load of crap!!!
Posted by jofjonesboro
10/7/2010  9:08:00 PM
Usually this pose would last for a few seconds,

No ronde' is held in this position for a few seconds and there would be be no movement in the upper body.

You are pathological. Grow the hell up.

jj
Re: Can
Posted by Waltz123
10/8/2010  8:22:00 AM
... or its simply less skilled folks mugging for a camera and not exactly doing any of the line figures
That was my immediate impression at a glance. If I had to wager, I'd be pretty confident with all of my money on static pose in the photography studio.

Still, there is another possibility that has not yet been mentioned: In a couple of the old school American syllabi, there was a Viennese figure (I think Arthur Murray called it "Turns & Curtsy") that alternated between this and the Throwaway position. It was a four-measure pattern, as follows:

m.1) Man steps fwd RF between lady's feet in a manner similar to leading a Rudolf Ronde. The lady begins a Ronde action, but quickly curls the leg into a back attitude position.

m.2) Lady lowers her R toe to the floor and straightens leg to a fully extended point, while man sweeps his LF forward in a quarter-ronde. The resulting position is the one seen in the photo. The position is recovered to closed in the second half of the measure.

m.3&4) Man steps forward on LF and leads the same action on the opposite side. The resulting position is similar to a Throwaway Oversway, albeit a poorly executed one.

I may have the order mixed up, but you get the idea. Would I ever recommend it to anyone? Nah, but that doesn't change the fact that it was popular for years in American style studios, and you can still see it occasionally today if you look hard enough. And I do think it is the most likely source of inspiration for this photo, since it's the figure with the posiest/most static usage of the line.

Regards,
Jonathan
Re: VW
Posted by terence2
10/8/2010  10:40:00 AM
I remember it well. L and R turns with Curtsy finish is the correct name ( in Gold Syl. )
Re: VW
Posted by jofjonesboro
10/8/2010  10:41:00 AM
I think that Bob Mitchell still teaches that step.

jj
Re: VW
Posted by terence2
10/9/2010  2:48:00 AM
He was F/A trained not A/M.. they do have a similar version .. different name .

Pretty much all teachers used it in Amer.style VW at advanced levels.
Both, actually.
Posted by jofjonesboro
10/9/2010  6:46:00 AM
Bob was trained originally at FA but worked in both chains at one time or another.

jj
Re: Both, actually.
Posted by terence2
10/9/2010  10:41:00 PM
Funny.. Ive known ( and worked with Bob in the past ) for well over 30 yrs.

He never ever mentioned that, and he knew on one occasion, I had come over to a F/A school from an A/M one .

Even so, at that stage in his A/M career, he possibly may not have been familiar with the Gold syl.
I see him every week.
Posted by jofjonesboro
10/10/2010  12:33:00 PM
I specifically asked him not long ago what his background was.

jj
Re: I see him every week.
Posted by terence2
10/10/2010  11:27:00 PM
Next time you see him, say Hi from me ( and Ray )..
I'll see him tonight.
Posted by jofjonesboro
10/11/2010  5:43:00 AM
I'll give him your regards.

jj
Re: I
Posted by terence2
10/11/2010  7:52:00 AM
Thanks.....
We were both mistaken.
Posted by jofjonesboro
10/12/2010  4:54:00 AM
I spoke with Bob for several minutes last night and asked him about the chronology of his career.

He began dancing when he was in the Air Force and joined Arthur Murray in Texas after his discharge.

He became regional dance director for them before leaving to join Fred Astaire in Texas in the same capacity.

Eventually, he migrated to Atlanta with FA before eventually, as he put it, "giving up on the chains." He's been independent ever since.

Apparently, the chains had a stranglehold on the development of dance instructors in the US at that time.

I told Bob that you're currently in England and doing well. He sends you his best.

jj
Re: We were both mistaken.
Posted by terence2
10/12/2010  8:56:00 AM
I knew he was from texas ( we worked in the sams F/A school in Atlanta in 1978 ) I went independant at that time( again ) and Bob eventually went solo.

The chains ( pretty much all of them ) were very resistant to outside activity ( Coaching, Comps etc. ).

Thats changed over the yrs. They now go to the other extreme, constantly bringing them in, coaches, that is ( its a money spinner ).
Did you work with Jackie Walls too?
Posted by jofjonesboro
10/12/2010  9:11:00 AM
She's in an assisted care facility now and reportedly suffering from Alzheimer's so I can't talk with her.

jj
Re: Did you work with Jackie Walls too?
Posted by terence2
10/12/2010  10:02:00 AM
I was manager and D.D. for her in Buckhead school.

And, of course, rented space from her in the s.springs location .
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