Quickstep, pretending to be "serendipity" wrote:

"Tangotime.I'm pretty sure that it was Len who told us to get those two quicks right on the button and let the slows look after themselves. More recently Pat Thomson said . This couple sometimes miss that second quick. They should hit that crotchet right on the black dot."

Hey quickstep, why are you always inventing new aliases? Could it be that you've destroyed the credibility of your old name so now you start over with "serendipity" ???

Anyway, your advice is wrong as ever on the subject of foxtrot timing:

https://www.ballroomdancers.com/Message_Board/view_messages.asp?MsgID=23818

So what exactly was Pat Thompson saying when she drew attention to this dancer not getting his second quicks right on the beat. And as Tangotime time when quoting Len Scrivener who said . You can be off the slows, but only a fool would be off the quicks. What screwball answer can you give to that.
Whats in a name said Shakespear. Since one of my friends used my computer my name seems to have been changed. A rose by any other name is still a rose isn't it.
You said the advice is wrong. So please go ahead and tell Pat and Len where they got it wrong.
You might have noticed that some of us do give a reference as to where the information comes from. I for one never write anything without saying where the information came from wether it be a book or a video or a person. You would do well to follow. You can take that as being advice if you like. Lets hear your answer to the people who do get there quicks in time with the music.

"So what exactly was Pat Thompson saying when she drew attention to this dancer not getting his second quicks right on the beat."

You never quit being wrong, do you Quickstep - you just hide behind a new alias in the nieve hope that it gives you a new chance. Well it doesn't, you can't hide because you are so obviously yourslef.

As for the above quote, you are obviously misundersanding it, as if it meant what you think it did it would be at odds with what is well known to actually happen, as already established here, over and over and over again:

https://www.ballroomdancers.com/Message_Board/view_messages.asp?MsgID=23818

On the 06 Foxtrot Professional Final which most of us have access to. Can you see any of the six finalists that were not right on the beat with their quicks. Anonymouse . You will be looking a long long time. Also you haven't a clue who Pat Thompson is have you. If you go to the 75th Blackpool tapes you can listen to her yourself. There you are again I given you a reference to check for yourself. In return I would like to know who exactly told you that you can dance off the beat and compete. Socially you can please yourself, and you obviously do, as well as not counting the beats which you have said you don't. Names please. Just to give you something to pick at. In a Waltz routine I have for years had chasses that have a different timing for each. There is 1 2 and 3. 1 and 2 3. and 1 2 3 and.. To try to go from one to another without counting would produce some degree of difficulty. Which leads me to believe that your dancing must be composed of very basic steps. I would love to see what sort of a mess you would make of a Samba with no count.

"Can you see any of the six finalists that were not right on the beat with their quicks."

The plain fact is that none of them were putting both quicks on the beats, because doing so is not how foxtrot is danced. See:

https://www.ballroomdancers.com/Message_Board/view_messages.asp?MsgID=23818

If you want to dispute the issue, you should respond to that, proudly as Quickstep, not keep trying to sneak your tired old arguments in again under a new username.

I would still like to know who instructed you to not get your quicks in the Foxtrot right on the black dot of the crotchet. (Getting the quick right on the black dot.Those words spoken by Pat Thompson 75th Blackpool tapes)
Where you also taught the same in the Tango and the Quickstep, or is this all your own idea. Instead of giving me a string of numbers to look up, just write here what is there. Or is that too dificult. If I were you I would quite before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you are already doing. Deliberately dancing off the beat. What next.
I finaly looked at the message you refered to. It has absolutely nothing to do with getting the quick on the beat.
I stand by this. Get the quicks on the beats and the slowes will look after themselves. As Len Scriverner said. You can be off the slows. But only a fool would be off the quicks.

"I finaly looked at the message you refered to. It has absolutely nothing to do with getting the quick on the beat."

Blatantly false, Mr. Quickstep who is pretending to be Serendipty. The timing of the second quick is in fact the subject of that post, as you well know.

https://www.ballroomdancers.com/Message_Board/view_messages.asp?MsgID=23818

If you are going to take issue with that, respond to it there, not here.

This is an argument from way back when some guy reckons that it is not necessary to dance any quicks in the Foxtrot right on the beat. Can we imagine a Feather Step where the couple or not on those two quicks. Or the same on the six quicks on a Reverse Weave. What! Are we supposed to dance inbetween the beats of music.

"This is an argument from way back when some guy reckons that it is not necessary to dance any quicks in the Foxtrot right on the beat. Can we imagine a Feather Step where the couple or not on those two quicks. Or the same on the six quicks on a Reverse Weave. What! Are we supposed to dance inbetween the beats of music."

This is a tired misconception from way back, resurrected after 5 years by some guy who apparently continues to deny the universal fact that real dancers do not in fact put their second quick on any beat. Either he has not been watching actual dancers, or he has been unable to see through his assumption to perceive the actual facts of what those dancers are doing.

The reality is that foxtrot is not a dance with the goal of stepping on beats. Instead, it is a dance with the goal of moving the body with the character of the music.

When we match the body speed to the music speed, we find (either in ourselves, or in carefully measuring the performance of any respected dancers) that the intervals between steps required by the music mean that at most one step of a SQQ pattern can fall on a beat.

Traditionally, that is the first quick landing on the 3rd beat.

Trying to force either the slow, or the second quick, to also land on a beat would break the proper intervals of the steps, removing the essential character of the dance known as foxtrot from the movement of the body.

If you are obsessed with landing your feet on beats, best to avoid the foxtrot.

The foxtrot has rise and fall not as much as the waltz of cause. We gather body speed on the fall so the body is moving faster going into a variation and slows at the end of the rise . In foxtrot this change of body speed is not so obvious as we dance through the rise to get that smooth movement. So the slow in foxtrot is faster than the quicks and that's why we don't dance right on the beat. With a nice peace of lyrical music we can extend the ending of feathers hovers and feather finishes, but we can't do that if we don't have enough body speed on the downswing. Cheers Dave