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Re: A ballroom orientation would be great but,
Posted by anymouse
12/3/2010  8:48:00 AM
"In other words, there's virtually no way that such a course could be offered meaningfully."

The issue is not with offering it, but with promoting the offering. It is offered, in both organized and informal forms. It's just not advertised to the general public. Generally it works best within a community of potential amateurs who already have a non-dancing reason for associating with each other or at least being aware of each other. For example, such an orientation is one of the most key services that college teams provide to both competitive and social members.

One reason it can work is that there isn't really much conflict between the interests of serious amateur couples, and that of the highly skilled, generally independent professionals who coach them. Business gets handled in a very straightforward manner - good pricing one lesson at a time, discretionary cancellation policies based on respect and trust, etc. While there are regrets and disagreements from time to time, those pros aren't really threatened by amateurs providing guidance to eachother - in fact, they get a large part of their business from referrals arising out of it. Actually, with the majority of advanced amateur competitors now themselves teaching , the difference between pros and serious amateurs is really just a continuous spectrum of degree, from well-informed hobbyist through heavy schedule amateur competitor and perhaps part time teacher, through to full time professional. The real distinction is between those whose role in dancing is primarily focused on the dancing itself, and those whose involvement with dancing is more that of purchasing or providing a consumer product.

Its only where people try to make money off the margins of ballroom - employing semi skilled teachers to spend time with students of marginal commitment, and using a package commitment to try to hold it together long enough to make a profit - that there becomes serious conflict between interests.

Those personally skilled pros who try to own studios with employed teachers can get into some conflict there (usually resolved by viewing the clientele in two tiers - their own competitive couples who are immune to the official business policies, and their employee's students who are subjected to it). But professionals who only do their own teaching and do not try to employ others basically avoid this conflict.

And in many ways, the serious amateurs also establish a two-tiers view - personal friends and potential colleagues get specific advice. The general public isn't refused answers if they ask, but going far out of ones way to vocally pick a fight with people in what is basically an irrelevant business segment isn't wise, unless one is more interested in being a consumer advocate that in personally dancing.
Re: A ballroom orientation would be great but,
Posted by belleofyourball
12/3/2010  9:15:00 AM
I'm 5'10" but by the time you add heels I'm over 6'
Wow.
Posted by jofjonesboro
12/3/2010  10:44:00 AM
I'm just under six feet (5'11-3/4" in my socks) and I love dancing with tall women, even some who are taller than I (one is 6'5" - soaking wet).

I'm currently sharing my lessons with a wonderful lady who's probably about a half inch shorter than you (she won't wear heels of more than one inch). We also take an advanced Smooth class together. The fact that she's always come to me to get the amalgamations straight makes me feel good because there are three guys in the same class who are taller than I am.

Coupling with a tall woman is great for they guy because he really has to maintain his extension. I've always wondered whether it's helpful to the lady, though; I imagine that the answer would be "It depends on how good a dancer the man is."

Thanks.

jj
Re: Wow.
Posted by belleofyourball
12/3/2010  11:56:00 PM
jj,

It depends on the dancer :~} When I take group lessons I find that really most of the men about your height are the better dancers. Many of the very tall men tend to dance small and hunch over and try and compensate for the fact that a lot of women are somewhere in the lower 5' range. When they do that it puts a lot of weight on me and it makes it more like slogging through mud then dancing.

To be honest though I am always happy to dance with anyone who is actually trying to dance. The only exception are the jerks who have been dancing two or three months and think they should be in advanced classes and then blame the woman for any and every mistake that gets made. I know some women who do that as well so it isn't a gender specific problem.

If the girls are coming to dance with you it means you aren't only a good technician but a nice person to dance with. It says alot about you at least from my perspective.

For wingspan (extension) it is nice to dance with someone who can match mine and be able to really fly, but that doesn't mean he has to be a lot taller, it just means he has to have a good frame and mean to have it.

I do have a minor addiction to Italian dance shoes so my latins are 4" and my smooths are 3" heels but if I were practical at all I would be in 1" heels as well.
Re: new? wat do u look 4 in a teacher
Posted by WildE
1/8/2016  5:24:00 AM
Given I have taken a number of group classes is it your opinion I would better know if an instructor is a match if I took one lesson from them? Also...tell me more if your height requirements and why amd are you a leader or follower?
Re: new? wat do u look 4 in a teacher
Posted by dancer
12/2/2010  11:05:00 PM
Newbies often look for an instructor that is stable and are somewhat of a parent figure. They want to feel safe and have trust.
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