It's always interesting read posts from Anonymous and Don. It's like Albott and Costello. Don, the bending of the knees and not moving forward step that you're trying to describe (you kind of lost me when you started to introduce CBM and CBMP into this issue though), is what they teach us in the very first level of bronze when we know ditully about the waltz. You seem to forget that the hip is also a joint that you can NOT bend if you were to keep your body verticle. What you describe does not create continuity of movement, that's some thing that needs to be present in the waltz and also foxtrot.

Anonymous Your famous last words.Take some private lessons with champions. I'd better put you right here. I have had more lessons than you are ever likely to have in the Standard style of ballroom dancing with dancers of a much higher quality . Starting with the gure himself Alex Moore. If you look at the records of Wally Fryer. Len Scrivener. Harry Smith Hampshire and even the great Henry Jaques. I have been to lectures by Donnie Burns, Steven Hillier,John Woods, Richard Gleeve And more recently Anthony Hurley. Andrew Sinkinson. My present teachers have many titles under their belt and have lessons regularly with some of the most respected coaches in the trade. So please don't be so childish, and do stick to the facts. Possibly the most ridicules thing you have said so far, and there has been quite a few, is that the Standard Syle of dancing requires more torso twist than Latin. I take that back. The most stupidist thing you have ever said is that nobody has ever done the first three of a Natural Turn the Waltz correctly ever. Would you like to take that back, or would you care to repeat it.I dont believe you even stop to think what you are saying. You are iculuding not only everybody reading this, but every past or present champion there as ever been, which includes the person who first introduced the step in December 1922..

Don,

You need to stop ranting.

Stop attending workshops.

And instead take private lessons personally, to work on the most basic ideas.

Then you will realize the truth of what I have been saying.

As any workshop will prove, what someone says will generate more misunderstanding than knowledge. You need to get out there and experience it with them, ask the questions, experience it on your terms.

Anonymous. If I were you I would quite before you make yourself a bigger fool than you already are.
You said .Any workshop will prove that what someone says will generate more misunderstanding than knowledge.
Do you ever think before you make these stupid statements.
Does that includes the Ballroom Dancing Congress at Blacpool which I would say has possibly the most knowledgable audience you will find anywhere. Eight hours of lectures I could include all those names on my list of lectures I have attended. But I will stick to one only. My teachers were placed 19th in the Waltz at Blackpool, and simularly in the other three dances.

"You said .Any workshop will prove that what someone says will generate more misunderstanding than knowledge.
Do you ever think before you make these stupid statements.
Does that includes the Ballroom Dancing Congress at Blacpool which I would say has possibly the most knowledgable audience you will find anywhere."

Absolutely. Many of the audience benefit from it of course. But many such as yourself lack the requisite foundation knoweldge to follow what is really being discussed, and as a result come away with severly confused and impractical ideas.

Rather than confusing yourself with either hours of lectures, you would do much better to take one hour in private with one of the presenters and really work on the truth behind a few basic ideas. When you are the subject of the lesson, your confusion will be noted and you will be shown a way out of it - but when you are merely an unprepared audience member, you are free to get a seriously wrong idea about what has been recommended.

Anonymous . As usuall spoken with the attitude that you know all and anybody else knows nothing. Do you read what you are writting .
Many benifit . First you wrote that any workshop will generate misunderstanding. Which has now changed to many. What exactly is many. Is it more or is it less. You have never been to a workshop, have you. You would know that we are not an audience but participants.
I very much doubt if you would be able to understand what the lectures are about. Anybody who believes that on a back Lockstep Quickstep that the hip goes back and the shoulder doesn't. I mean how could you possibly know with the kind of instruction you have been recieving, what the devil are they talking about.
Just looking at your other none intelligent comments. I said There is sway on step three of a Natural Spin Turn. What exactly did you mean by "I hope not"
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Do we file that one away with your Back Lock. You have completely ignored when I asked you. Do you still believe that nobody has ever done the first three of a Natural correct ever.
Shall we file that away with your Spin Turn and Back Lock.
Another thing you don't seem to be able to grasp. When you say you are forbiden from passing a person who is in front of you. I'm sure you will have difficulty grasping this. When I appear to be sideways. My partner is still in front of me. Second third step on the Feather. I am moving sideways but my partner is still in front of me. That is not too hard to understand is it. I see you now believe that the man does not shape to his left, and that the lady does move her foot into position before the man moves on a Backward Walk. And do you still believe that the heel of the supporting foot lowers before the moving foot comes along side on a backward step.
I see you have changed your mind on whether or not there is a midway point between two steps. I can remember months ago trying to prove to you that there has to be a midway. I can remember giving an example that if somebody jumped off a twelfth floor of a building that would have to pass the sixth floor. And still you went on.
And this is a classic. My aim is to establish sufficient doubt in the minds of other dancers who seriously want to improve. Do you know what an ego maniac is. I think you do and have probably been told enough times. Theres lots more if you want it, pages and pages. What was that other one. We go to the point of imbalance and did you say we fall out having to catch our weight.
To get off the above. Todays dancers are contiuously getting out of each others way. They dance their own steps in their own space. I never enter the space they are standing on and they mine. Don't forget to answer the questions will you.