"Anonymous. Your not trying to tell me that in a revolving door all parts don't remain the same distance from each other.. Are you."

Dancer's bodies are not revolving doors.

If you want to dance while using you body like a revolving door, you would have to take a funny path of arcs across the floor. Some people do dance like that... but its been pretty much superseded by those with the flexibility to sustain more linear movements linked by more lilting and shaped turns.

Anonymous. The topic was when we rotate , turn . Do we stay in the same position in relation to each other. the same as a revolving door does to its other sides. The answer is YES YES.

"Anonymous. The topic was when we rotate , turn . Do we stay in the same position in relation to each other. the same as a revolving door does to its other sides. The answer is YES YES."

Well you are in fact mistaken about the topic. The topic is what happens when we go outside partner.

And I pointed out that you in fact do not pass your partner to go outside partner.

You only pass your partner if you are dancing a TURN, which is to say changing the track of movement.

If you are going to do that, then yes, you will pass your partner, much as your comment quoted above seems to say. But if you are merely going to go outside partner, you will stretch past your partner, but will not actually pass him or her.

Anonymous. I think the term used was a feeling of going past your partner. Which seems to be the same as your last sentance. Just to refresh the memory. I believe I quoted John Wood who says the man passes the lay to his right side. He doesn't mean move her away from her original position. This is why I went to the revolving door as an example. starting square . If the man leads with his left side. If you had to explain where the lady will be in relation to the man and the direction they are travelling. Where would you say she is. I'll tell you where she isn't and that's up front.

" If you had to explain where the lady will be in relation to the man and the direction they are travelling. Where would you say she is. I'll tell you where she isn't and that's up front."

And that is precisly the inexcusable error. You MUST NOT PASS your partner in an outside parnter action that is part of a linear figure. If it is a turning figure, you may pass your parnter, but not if it is a linear figure - then you may only stretch past, while letting your partner remain in front of you.

Get that wrong, and you dance hip, or even get her stuck behind you, making any following reverse turn rather difficult (Aha - maybe that is the mistaken interst in neutralization - you have to give her a chance to catch up and get back into position from where she was being dragged under your arm???)

Anonymous. Go right back to the Basics.The man has foot rise the lady has no foot rise. What does that mean to you. At the same time that the man is rising the lady isn't. It goes even further than that, and that is, if this was a Natural in the Waltz, the lady keeps her weight and shape over the LF untill the man has passed then she follows him up. In othe words the lady who points her foot onto step two but keeps her weight still over step one. The man swings past. The lady doesn't swing. No two people swing at the same time. You would know this from the V. Waltz. If she did she would arrive first having the shorter distance to travel, and take the man's centre from him. Then you would be several inches out. On the Spin Turn she will be a few more. Now you will spend the next few bars trying to get back to a balanced position.

"Anonymous. Go right back to the Basics.The man has foot rise the lady has no foot rise."

Actually, I think that you will find that in the REVERSE WAVE it is the lady who has foot rise, wheras the man has a number of steps with no foot rise. True, he doesn't have no foot rise on the middle steps, wheras the lady would in a feather or three step, but then his heel is lower than hers.

"At the same time that the man is rising the lady isn't."

That is where you are mistaken. No foot rise does not mean "no rise" it means no RISE IN THE FEET. But there is still rise. Remember, there isn't that much rise in the forward foxtrot actions either. It's not like one partner is down the other is up - they still rise and fall together, it's just that the lady rolls through her heels on almost all backwards steps, as does the man on quite a few backwards steps.

"It goes even further than that, and that is, if this was a Natural in the Waltz, the lady keeps her weight and shape over the LF untill the man has passed then she follows him up."

Not entirely over the foot except for beginners - advanced dancers will already be progressing some by projecting the body into a swing. But yes, she should let him get a little bit past her and then catch up. Remember, unlike the feather step the natural turn is a TURNING FIGURE so passing the partner is appropriate.

"The lady doesn't swing."

She sure as heck does if she is any good. It's just that the swing on the inside of the turn is different, and so a beginner like you is forgiven for thinking it doesn't exist.

"No two people swing at the same time."

Usually however, if one partner swings on a step the other partner will also have a swing during that step.

"You would know this from the V. Waltz. If she did she would arrive first having the shorter distance to travel, and take the man's centre from him. Then you would be several inches out. On the Spin Turn she will be a few more. Now you will spend the next few bars trying to get back to a balanced position."

Spin turn in the viennese waltz? I don't think so...

Anonymous.I could have put the V. Waltz in brackets then you would have understood it better .There was a full stop there. But never mind. So your teacher hasn't taught you that if both swing at the same time the one who has the shorter distance to travell will arrive first. Why do you think they came up with NFR. It is for that reason. Surely somebody must have told you this. Don't forget the man on some steps has NFR for the same reason that the lady has.
Reverse Wave. I think you will find that most have for years done an extended Wave after a Feather. ( the Feather you only see once at the beginning) is followed by a Reverse Turn into the Wave. In recent years the lady stays in line and does not do the man's Feather this goes all the way around side two into side three where they start to do their own thing. I still prefere the lady stepping outside on the Feather. It allows me to do NFR into it.

"So your teacher hasn't taught you that if both swing at the same time the one who has the shorter distance to travell will arrive first."

Of course not, because it's only true if they are so foolish as to swing at the same time in the same way. Note that I did not say that they swing in the same way or even at the same time. What I said was that if one partner swings during a step, usually the other partner has a sort of swing during that step. And that the partner on the inside of the turn does not stop moving. But no, their swing is of course not the same as the partner on the outside's. Beginners might think that the partner on the inside doesn't swing - but that is not really true for good dancers. It's just that the swing is more subtle - too complicated a subject for the newest beginners to get right, so they might be told for a while that there is no swing there in order to simplify things. But it's not ultimately true.

"Why do you think they came up with NFR. "

Two reasons. NFR on steps followed by turn is what is appropriate for the kind of SWING used on the inside of most turns. NFR on steps followed by continued backwards movement is what is needed to allow you to roll through then entire length of the foot.

"Don't forget the man on some steps has NFR for the same reason that the lady has."

Absolutely. Though because his heel is lower and his poise is different, he won't generally use it on the middle step of backwards foxtrot actions where a lady would when doing something corresponding.

Anonymous. If you watch carefull the man doing the wave. As the lady drives on that slow getting ready to step outside . With the man you can see what appears to be a distinct pause as he goes into NFR. He is on the first step of what would normaly be the ladies Feather Step. Could it possibly be that he is allowing the lady room to step outside by holding the step for a fraction. Also do you see that floating type action on the moving computer images on a Forward Walk. Do you see the same on the Backward Walk.