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Third Beat.
Posted by quickstep
1/18/2007  7:46:00 PM
I wonder why Billy Irvine teachs to accent the third beat of a Foxtrot. Could it be to get higher on the toes.
Quote . In the Waltz , he stressed to accentuate the first beat. In the Foxtrot accentuation of the third beat. From a lecture, in writting , given by Billy Irvine in Singapore.
Re: Third Beat.
Posted by phil.samways
1/19/2007  1:44:00 AM
Does he not explain why?.
Unfortunately, 'accentuate' can mean different things. Waltz - accentuate the first beat in the sense this is where the drive occurs. Accentuate the second beat in the sense this is the 'showy' beat and use it as much as possible.
Re: Third Beat.
Posted by Anonymous
1/19/2007  6:56:00 AM
"I wonder why Billy Irvine teachs to accent the third beat of a Foxtrot. Could it be to get higher on the toes.
Quote . In the Waltz , he stressed to accentuate the first beat. In the Foxtrot accentuation of the third beat. From a lecture, in writting , given by Billy Irvine in Singapore."

It has nothing to do with extra rise (which will RUIN foxtrot).

And everything to do with that being the ONLY place in a characeristic figure where a step actually lands on the beat. First quick, third beat. Nail that with precision, and let everything else float by feel.
Re: Third Beat.
Posted by madmaximus
1/19/2007  10:43:00 AM
"I wonder why Billy Irvine teaches to accent the third beat of a Foxtrot. "

Because he understands that there is more to dancing than taking as dogma all the figures in the syllabus.
And because he understands that the Foxtrot oftentimes has a different "lyrical accent" (it is on 3) than other 4/4 dances.
Or so explained my mentors that were Irvine-trained.

There is an entire technique devoted to this thinking.
It is called rubatto-timing.
It is not something you can learn from a tape or recording because it is quite advanced dance work.




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Re: Third Beat.
Posted by quickstep
1/19/2007  2:30:00 PM
Madmaximus. I have a friend who was taught by Irvine. One thing that was passed onto me was. If a step is not going right look at the one before it. I've found that very good advice.
About the accentuation of the third beat On my John Wood tape. He has a different way of explaining the same thing. He says lift the front shoulder. Or if you like think of it as lowering the rear shoulder, the result will be the same.
I like Irvine's the better because I can carry the accentuating the third beat through most of the Foxtrot.
Re: Third Beat.
Posted by Anonymous
1/19/2007  2:32:00 PM
"Madmaximus. I have a friend who was taught by Irvine. One thing that was passed onto me was. If a step is not going right look at the one before it. I've found that very good advice."

True. Consider:

First quick happens to early (before third beat). Why?

Because the preceding slow was rushed. Why?

Because the preceding second quick was rushed. Why?

Because the preceding first quick ROSE TOO HIGH. Why?

To use up the time from it being too early, because the preceding slow was rushed...

and so on.

Why?

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