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Re: Third Beat.
Posted by quickstep
1/28/2007  5:17:00 PM
Exactly right.
Re: Third Beat.
Posted by phil.samways
1/29/2007  7:24:00 AM
wow - that's a first
Re: Third Beat.
Posted by Anonymous
1/29/2007  7:42:00 AM
YEAH THAT IS A FIRST!!!!
Re: Third Beat.
Posted by Dave
1/29/2007  3:34:00 PM
To assume that because the left foot is in flight that it arrives on 3 at the same time as the body is incorrect. You have not answered my question. ai believe that the foot arrives ahead of the body on the first halve of three?
Re: Third Beat.
Posted by quickstep
1/29/2007  4:21:00 PM
Dave. The Third beat which is the second step. The left shoulder is foremost. The RF is retained to the rear and is to the tip off the toe which is in contact with the floor the floor.
If you go to the demonstration by Jonathan in the Learn The Dances section on the Foxtrot then Feather Step. There is everything you will want to know. Ignore the introduction step ( this can be off putting ). Look at the right then the left which is now the second step. Look at the line of the shoulders , plus the lift and the delayed RF to the tip of the toe. In particular look at this RF which is to the rear. It is very important because you will do this in other places and other dances. Don't forget to double click on the screen to bring it to full size. Then if you feel like it you should take a look and very definitely take a copy of Lluv2dance's comments who quotes Len Scrivener's writting. Which is under The Late Len Scrivener. Go there before it gets buried.
Re: Third Beat.
Posted by Dave
1/29/2007  6:56:00 PM
Quickstep. I asked a simple qustion which you don't seem to have read properly. No vidio images can give the exact time the body weight is over the left foot"second step" Is it at the beggining or end of the of beat three? Dave
Re: Third Beat.
Posted by Anonymous
1/29/2007  7:03:00 PM
"Quickstep. I asked a simple qustion which you don't seem to have read properly. No vidio images can give the exact time the body weight is over the left foot"second step" Is it at the beggining or end of the of beat three? Dave"

Actually, if you look at videos you will often find that you can narrow this down quite a bit. For example, on Jonathan's feather (which I don't completely agree with, but it's something we can all look at) there's really only maybe three frames when both of his feet are stationary on the floor. That's a tenth of a second. At 30mpm, a beat is a half second. So, if you figure out how to match things back up to the music, you could know within a 1/5 of a beat.

I think that you will find that it is rare to position a foot fully but not immediately weight it. I won't say it never happens, only that it is not the usual action. Usually, your foot will keep moving pretty much up until the point where you have to put weight on it (or fall flat on your face).
Re: Third Beat.
Posted by Dave
1/30/2007  5:45:00 AM
Annon, it is quite clear in all the vidios of the feather step that the left foot is well in front of the body before the body arrives over it. The way you describe it is to say that we do not have, first a foot position and then a body position. If we arrived over the second step"first quick" as you say,we would not be able to dance the second quick a little slower as our body would be moving to fast?
Re: Third Beat.
Posted by Anonymous
1/30/2007  10:45:00 AM
"Annon, it is quite clear in all the vidios of the feather step that the left foot is well in front of the body before the body arrives over it. The way you describe it is to say that we do not have, first a foot position and then a body position."

I described when the body weight landed on the foot (or at least when it became impossible for it to be on any other foot).

When the body is physically located over the foot is a different matter.

One of my criticisms of this feather btw is that the foot is too far in front of the body. It is "foot dancing" not body swing dancing that we are seeing here.

But even with the foot remaining closer to the body, there should still be plenty of opportunity to slow in the slight continued rise, and drift the final step out so that it will land nicely - which is to say well after the start of beat four.
Re: Third Beat.
Posted by Anonymous
1/30/2007  10:48:00 AM
BTW Dave, you've now contradicted yourself.

First your said that no video could tell you exactly when the body is over the foot. Now you point out that the narrowed-down instant when the foot is weighted, which I identified for you, is not when the body is positioned over the foot.

So apparently you can tell by inspection when the body is and isn't positioned over the foot. Any video shot largely sideways to the movement should do the trick.

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