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Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by Serendipidy
1/27/2008  1:11:00 PM
Paul and dot. The most important thing that I have been instructed on is. In a Reverse Weave from an Open Impetus Turn in the Waltz Every third step is a side step and not a backward step. This includes step six ,which is on a third beat in the Open Impetus and also step six in the Reverse Weave. Make sure they are side step and not a forward step.
From a Promenade Position in the Reverse Weave, taking the shorter step is correct for the man. To quote John Wood. If in a Promenade Position both people take the same size step at the same time in theory they will never get around each other. That makes sense doesn't it.
A Running Weave which for the couple both turn clockwise is what was being spoken about and demonstrated on the tape. It is the lady who takes the shorter step. If she doesn't. He goes on to say that in this case the man will use his superior strength to get where he wants to be. To quote Len Scrivener. If it is uncomfortable it is wrong. That is in any move in dancing.
Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by Serendipidy
1/27/2008  2:30:00 PM
Paul and dot. I should have drawn your attention to something else which is important. The stance as it is taught today no longer has the ladies hips jammed into the man's hips. I think if you find something on youtube you will find " The right area of the chest of each partner touches that of the other ". That is a direct quote. Down below you could swing a brick through without touching any part of you partner. Again, once it is pointed out go and look for yourself. Good Luck
Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by paul&dot
1/27/2008  2:57:00 PM
From Serendipidy-Paul and dot. The most important thing that I have been instructed on is. In a Reverse Weave from an Open Impetus Turn in the Waltz Every third step is a side step and not a backward step. This includes step six ,which is on a third beat in the Open Impetus and also step six in the Reverse Weave. Make sure they are side step and not a forward step.
From a Promenade Position in the Reverse Weave, taking the shorter step is correct for the man. To quote John Wood. If in a Promenade Position both people take the same size step at the same time in theory they will never get around each other. That makes sense doesn't it.
A Running Weave which for the couple both turn clockwise is what was being spoken about and demonstrated on the tape. It is the lady who takes the shorter step. If she doesn't. He goes on to say that in this case the man will use his superior strength to get where he wants to be. To quote Len Scrivener. If it is uncomfortable it is wrong. That is in any move in dancing.

I'm one-third confused. The last two paragraphs makes sense.
Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by Serendipidy
1/27/2008  4:38:00 PM
paul and dot. Do you have a technique book. If you have Alex Moore and go to page 159 You will see the man's steps from a Whisk. You will notice that step three is a step to the side as well as step six is a step to the side .
It is very common for both of these steps to be taken in the wrong direction, especially step three which is often wrongly taken backwards.. The same alignments apply to the lady.
Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by anymouse
1/27/2008  1:45:00 PM
"Dot says the man needs not to lead as much as to just to take a shorter step and allow her to pass and not step across and block her dance line In other words, her step 2 is more aggressive than the man's. In fact she prefers a lead on steps 1 and 3 but almost none on step 2. This may be a personal preference but stresses this leading to the new men she teaches."

The lead the man will use is mostly in the form of sending the lady through step one towards a step two that he can then step inside of. It's not so much that he leads her step two, as that he does things during step 1 which set the character of her step 2, and then _he_ follows her actions such that his own step 2 is smaller.
Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by paul&dot
1/27/2008  2:28:00 PM
That says it all from my viewpoint as well.

Dot
Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by cdroge
1/28/2008  4:44:00 AM
My question was how do top professionals alter the alingment to get quality sway not how to dance a reverse weave,but thanks for all the info. Question: If the pattern is the same in waltz and foxtrot why is there sway in foxtrot and not waltz. I have been dancing and competing for many years but being only 5ft 6in have always had a problem with sway.
Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by terence2
1/28/2008  8:33:00 AM
Sway is not conditional on height !--- an ex world champ.-- was of similar stature .
Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by cdroge
1/28/2008  3:33:00 PM
Thanks but that does not answer my question.Cheers
Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by Serendipidy
1/28/2008  4:50:00 PM
cdroge. Why don't you go to google Marcus Hilton youtube. There you have a Basic Foxtrot and a Basic Waltz.
You will not find anything false or exagerated in the Sway used. If you look up the defintition of Sway you will find it is a natural incline of the body towards the centre of a turn. An areoplane when it turns it has to sway, it dips its wing.With dancing there is no sway on Spins. A Double Reverse Spin for instance. If you look at Marcus after a Double Reverse he follows with 1 2 3 of a Reverse Turn. The incline of the bodies on those first three of a Reverse Turn is so minimal it hardly shows. See for yourselves. A very tall dancer like Timothy Howson in his Foxtrot uses much more Sway than Marcus. The advice can only be, do the amount you are comfortable with and capable of and suits your style of dancing.
I think you will find that the difference between the Waltz and the Foxtrot concerning the sway and none sway is conected to the rise and fall in the Waltz and being on the toes in the Foxtrot on steps 2 to 7.
If you are like myself you will store that bit of information also and where you can advice people to go to look for themselves. Which thay can also do on this site. Good Luck. Let us all now close our eyes and Sway.

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