anymouse

6/30/2008
11:27:00

The "lilt" of waltz is ultimately a temporal thing, not necessarily a spatial one. While "waltz rise" is an obvious spatial way of expressing that waltz character, it's by no means the only way to express it. Many other choices can work nicely as well, particularly as transitions into or between lines.

Anymouse ,can you elaborate more on this subject so that the layman like myself can understand. Words such as temporal and spatial are difficult for me to relate too. Do not transitions into and between lines consist of rise and fall in waltz timing. Thanks

"Anymouse ,can you elaborate more on this subject so that the layman like myself can understand. Words such as temporal and spatial are difficult for me to relate too."

We first learn to express waltz character by how we move in space - how we rise.

But we can also express it by how we move in time. The timing of an action, even one that isn't about rise, could fit and express the waltz music too.

"Do not transitions into and between lines consist of rise and fall in waltz timing."

Not necessarily, or at least not with the usual dynamics of waltz rise. Consider for example a contra check or a same foot lunge. Neither of those figures will have what we'd ordinarily think of as waltz rise, but we can still dance a group involving transitions between figures like these in a way that expresses waltz character, in large part by how we time the movements.

Don't think about it too much, try to feel how it fits with the music.

Who was it who wrote. " To be able to talk with Kings or Beggars and still retain the Common Touch ". Why use the word transition when its just as easy to say going from one to the other, or in between
Even my youngest grandchild can understand that. Transition .Spatial and even Temporal. You might as well speak in a foreign language as far as explaining something in dancing is concerned.

I don't know how this thread suddenly re-appeared.
I'd have thought 'transition' was clear enough.

Not so polished. I like the words temporal and spatial they hint at something more dynamic to aim for,but my understanding of the terms are limited so I was happy to have it further explained.

Just realised my earlier comment about re-appearing is a bit daft. Forgot the american convention for dates. Read it as 7th February instead of 2nd july

To who ever. Not everybody has swallowed a dictionary as can be seen by some of the mistakes we see in the writtings. Also some of the readers as well as some pupils in a class are not fluent in speaking English.. We had a film on TV which was Scottish. They even had it sub- titled. I had no trouble in following it . But some obviusly did have difficulty. In a class I would use the words lets get started. Instead of shall we proceed.I would imagine I would be understood even if in the class one was eight and another eighty with neither speaking very much English. Which also goes with writting on this message board. You know what is meant by using the words KISS. Keep It Simple Stupid. This Message Board is not meant to show off anybody's superior vocabulary.
Nothing to do with the above. If anybody wishes to see the type of Rumba which is winning competitions Google. " Matej Krajcar and Iwona Goczak. Rumba ", they are the current British Champions. Terence. Do you have any thoughts on this one.

In a class I would use the words lets get started. Instead of shall we proceed.I would imagine I would be understood even if in the class one was eight and another eighty with neither speaking very much English. Polish, Why not " shall we start" or How is everyone today, or " are we all ready" or "O.k. everyone one lets have some fun today" We all think and speak the language in our own way. If someone does not understand they can ask for an explanation. If you don't like the way people talk on this website go elsewhere.

Do I have any thoughts ?.. ya know I do!
There has just been an article published by Tornsberg, critiquing the quality and interpretation of the current latin competitors .

We are of a similar mindset. ( as are many others ).

The " latin" seems to have strayed, and wandered on a path that has, or is, becoming lost from its roots .

Not talking about " evolution " here.. more about HOW the rhythms should be applied to movement/music .

It has reached somewhat of an " acrobatic " and harshness to its detriment ( just my opinion ) . Its all about " speed ".. and we all know what happens when we speed things up !

People always say " well, things change ".. yes they do, and this not to discredit the abilites of the dancers, after all, it is what THEY are being taught,encouraged and or copying .

When ANY form of dance reaches a stage when the general public says " that was amazing.. but... I could NEVER do that ", then we have lost the plot !!