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Re: the physics of dance
Posted by terence2
8/8/2008  11:04:00 PM
Well, "put" together is hardly a fair statement.

They are his " words " and I know there were contributors on edit and suchlike, and for sure, they are HIS thoughts .

For those who have not read the book , its not a technique book perse... more about HOW to achieve results thru fundamental issues.
As to the monetary issue... he would be pleased to now that it is still sought after .
Re: the physics of dance
Posted by Polished
8/9/2008  2:43:00 PM
Interested. I think the word physics is wrong. It should be the dynamics of dancing.Which means the branch of mechanics concerned with the motion of bodies under the action of forces. If you look at dance tapes you will find it is the word most used. Cheers.
Re: the physics of dance
Posted by terence2
8/10/2008  12:02:00 AM
Disagree... the motion is a form of kinetic energy.. i.e... Physics .

The dynamism, is the result of the energy created .
Re: the physics of dance
Posted by anymouse
8/10/2008  9:17:00 PM
"Interested. I think the word physics is wrong. It should be the dynamics of dancing.Which means the branch of mechanics concerned with the motion of bodies under the action of forces."

Dynamics is a branch of mechanics, which is a branch of physics.

So what's the problem?

I actually would have a problem with restricting the discussion to dynamics, as we may well need to perform static analysis of many body configurations first simply to understand what configurations can - or cannot - be in equilibrium.
Re: the physics of dance
Posted by Polished
8/11/2008  4:52:00 AM
Anonymous. Whichever is the most used term is the one that should be used simply so that we all speak the same language.
Re: the physics of dance
Posted by terence2
8/11/2008  5:21:00 AM
It not the usage of the word " dynamic " thats in Q... it is its antecedent defining its related origin ...

it is important to me as a coach, to be able to describe and breakdown specific " actions " to show how they are utilised in the structure of motion.

The word " dynamic ", has many different applications , and of course, like many , I do use that terminology in conjunction with the aforementioned, for appropriate actions .
Re: the physics of dance
Posted by Polished
8/11/2008  11:04:00 PM
Terence. I don't have the latest IDSF or the Guy Howard technique books. Do they also say 3/8ths of a turn between steps 1 to 3 of a Reverse Turn in the Foxtrot.
Re: the physics of dance
Posted by terence2
8/12/2008  6:51:00 AM
Just a word of caution.. firstly.. as has been stated, text books are a guide, they do NOT tell you HOW to dance, but, what you you should base your foundation work upon.

I have seen on another site, quite recenly,a topic about the distinction between Q and S rhythm in F/T.
There are Many advocates saying there is essentially no difference.

Where do these " theories " emanate from ?... watching the interpretation of world class exponents .

The inherent danger, is that many may confuse the basic foundation, with these more advanced ideas, and remember, these are PERSONAL interpretations, and should be approached with some scepticism .

To your Q... I have to defer to the current techn.still being used by most as 3/8 over the turn including Guys book.. and of course, amounts may be varied depending on the following figure ( Rev. wave for e.g. )

All of the " new " editions in the ballroom technique, are not yet cast in stone , and each Soc. will adhere to its current format, until a general consensus deems otherwise ( If ever ! ) .

I hasten to add, that some of the newer theories have merit , but the jury in the " establishment " , is still out .
Re: the physics of dance
Posted by Polished
8/12/2008  1:17:00 PM
Terence. The question now is . Are our better dancers and obviously teachers Are they turning 3/8ths of a turn on the first step of the Reverse Turn followed with the normal Feather Finish on the normal alignment. Are they all turning 3/8ths of a turn at the end of step one which for the man is the left foot. On youtube there are many to look at and compare. The two I look at are Marcus and Luca who both give you the perfect Feather Step Reverse Turn and Three Step. Cheers.
I will add one more peice to the puzzle. In Alex Moore's book it says 3/8ths of a turn between 1 and 3. Taking that literally means on step 2. which is inbetween step 1 and 3.
I think the books need to, and will be
re - written and its about time too.
Re: the physics of dance
Posted by anymouse
8/12/2008  2:40:00 PM
"Are our better dancers and obviously teachers Are they turning 3/8ths of a turn on the first step of the Reverse Turn followed with the normal Feather Finish on the normal alignment. Are they all turning 3/8ths of a turn at the end of step one which for the man is the left foot."

No, of course they are not doing this as it would be quite wrong.

When you consider where the end of step 1 actually occurs in the overall sequence of events, you'll realize that the forward partner has made almost no turn by that point.

Don't forget that amounts of turn are measured in the feet.

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