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Re: Foxtrot
Posted by ME
6/12/2010  2:15:00 AM
Carolmatthew. Several things are going on. On the Fourth and and most importantly the Sixth Step of the Reverse Turn. For the man the fourth step is THT. The sixth step which is in CBMP is a TH. This is a foot position only . Also the lady having the greater distance to travel must be allowed time to get into position that is why the mans body is facing the wall on step five. When the text books were first composed the words were chosen very carefully. CBMP is Contrary Body Movement Position. Notice the word Position ( where someone or something has been placed ) That is exactly what it means. Place that sixth step into Position.
I'm only guessing. But I think you might be being pulled of balance because of the the man's bad Technique.
Re: Foxtrot
Posted by ME
6/12/2010  4:03:00 PM
Also look at the clip on this site or others on youtube. Look at exactly where the mans RF goes on step four. You will notice it is not straight down the LOD. And do we see the foot turned in very slightly, more towards an outside edge.
Re: Foxtrot
Posted by Telemark
6/13/2010  1:20:00 AM
I agree that the placement of step 6 as man is very important: it's hardly a step, at all, but only just more than a cross in front of LF, allowing the lady to come around.

I don't agree, however, with the suggested direction of step 4. Standard technique has steps 3 & 4 aligned backing LOD (ie straight). It is the correct usage of CBM on step 4 that will result in a slight turn in of the toe (normal for any backward step with CBM) - but the foot should travel straight back.
Re: Foxtrot
Posted by ME
6/13/2010  11:45:00 PM
Telemark. I've heard this argument so many times before. I always pose the same question. If the man and the lady both take a step straight down the LOD they will both be trying to occupy exactly the same space at the same time. This is where the books need to be corrected. The same can be said about step four of a Natural Spin Turn. The man must get out of the ladies way. That's why that step goes more towards diag to wall allowing the lady the straight line. Work it out for yourself. You will see that if that 4th step for the man is taken straight down the LOD the lady will have no choice but to do circular movement to get around. She should be taking the straight route. Even way back I was always instructed that the person going forward has the right of way. In this case it is the lady.
Finally. Make your way to Learn The Dances. Choose Reverse Turn and Feather Finish in the International Foxtrot and learn where that fourth step is supposed to go. You will no doubt observe now it has been pointed out that that step four does not go straight down the LOD for the man.
The shoulders. Now that's a different story. But we are talking about the foot position.
Re: Foxtrot
Posted by Telemark
6/14/2010  1:30:00 AM
If the man and the lady both take a step straight down the LOD they will both be trying to occupy exactly the same space at the same time.


I think you are forgetting that they are both moving, together.

This is where the books need to be corrected.


I'm sure you are entitled to your opinion. Does ANY teaching society either recognise or advocate your proposition? I don't think you'll find that one does.

The same can be said about step four of a Natural Spin Turn. The man must get out of the ladies way.


That's why he rotates with strong CBM: he isn't in her way.

Make your way to Learn The Dances. Choose Reverse Turn and Feather Finish in the International Foxtrot and learn where that fourth step is supposed to go.


I already know where the step is supposed to go, but thank you for your concern.
Re: Foxtrot
Posted by terence2
6/14/2010  4:23:00 AM
Actually, the foot "turn " is a causal effect by the mans rotation to face wall from backing LOD, and "points " to DW with the L foot, whilst the R foots action completes its first part of the journey facing wall ...

.. it is an underturned body action, to allow the lady to complete her rotation ( collecting, as she should ) and hence, the unsual rise during the inside of a turn for man ( a somewhat suspended foot action forming a " bridge effect ).. this preparation enables him to create the necessary" swing " to continue on a fwd path towards DW .

One of the major problems that beginners ( and some advanced ) dancers face, is the "over " rotation by mans body, and an early exit from the turn .

Think of the turn for man, like opening a gate for the lady and allowing her to pass thru..
Re: Foxtrot
Posted by ME
6/15/2010  2:49:00 PM
Here is something else that is contrary to the Technique book. Take a look at nine times British Champion and see on the first step of a Feather how far ahead of the body the RF goes before it becomes a heel . For years I had beleived as the book says. As the RF passes the toe of the LF the Left Heel will be released from the floor. Not any more. It is now released much later by our top dancers. Go see for yourselves.
Re: Foxtrot
Posted by Telemark
6/15/2010  2:52:00 PM
Are you changing the subject because no one agrees with you, or just to annoy?
Re: Foxtrot
Posted by Anon.
6/15/2010  9:25:00 PM
No Telemark, he's just airing his knowledge to show us how well versed in 'technique' he is.
Re: Foxtrot
Posted by Iluv2Dance
6/16/2010  12:02:00 AM
ME,
Does the technique say 'immediately'?
Your messages remind me so much of a subscriber called, 'Don' AKA Quickstep.

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