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Re: difference between chase in amer. and int. cha
Posted by DancePro
6/29/2010  7:22:00 AM
According to the NDCA rulebook, which has the final word on what is Bronze/Silver in American Style competitions (excluding closed franchise competitions [i.e. Fred Astaire/Arthur Murray]), the Chase Turn American style is a Pre/Intermediate Bronze step, on which both partners are on opposite feet turning opposite directions throughout the pattern. In the International Style syllabus, The Chase Turn is initiated by a foot change for the man, which puts both partners on the same foot and has both partners turning the same direction AFTER the initiation of the pattern and prior to the end, which presents more of a challenge. So, if this were a competition, it would depend on which style/level you were dancing at that competition. Now, if it is social dancing we are talking about, I feel that either pattern is acceptable as long as you/your partner both execute the pattern to your best ability. The lady's/followers part in both styles remains basically the same, it's the really only the man's/leader's footwork and direction of turn that change. As far as the lock step is concerned, for International Style, there is a lock step. In American Style, it is generally is danced with a Cha Cha run instead of a lock step, however the lock step is acceptable (the lock step when danced in the American Style Chase Turn came from the current International influence to American style Dancing, but may have been danced in the American Style Chase Turn prior to the influence for styling purposes.) This is based on the most current competitive information available, and is not meant to replace any of the historical origins of the pattern. Since dance evolves so frequently, this information could also change.
Re: difference between chase in amer. and int. cha
Posted by terence2
6/29/2010  7:31:00 AM
The Lock step action was in place when I first started teaching Amer. style latin ( in the late 50s ) with A/M.. did it emanate from Q/S.. possibly .. but.. there were locking actions in Peabody, which dates back to the 30s...

I should also like to add, that as an Adjudicator for over 30yrs in the States,I ( and others ) accepted either format in Bronze level comp.
Re: difference between chase in amer. and int. cha
Posted by DancePro
6/29/2010  8:04:00 AM
terence2-

-I did not mean the locking action in ALL areas of American Style Dance, I just meant the use of it in American Style Cha Cha. Again, this could be a constant dynamic shift that has been a "grey area" since the origin of the dance, but as of now, I know that in International Style Cha Cha competitions it is a syllabus part of the figure. For American Style competition, my understanding is that either is fine as long as you and your partner are on opposite feet and you and your partner use the same format (i.e. Lock Step vs. Cha Cha run). Would you view that as an acceptable understanding for dancing the American Style Chase Turn at competitions?
Re: difference between chase in amer. and int. cha
Posted by terence2
6/29/2010  9:33:00 AM
As a general rule.. yes.. there are more questionable things that are danced at Bronze level, than this e.g. , that have gone unchecked for yrs ( tango with its Prom. in Bronze, being danced as a Prog. link, is my great dislike ).
In matter of fact, the Tango as a whole has become very " internationalised ".. the speed of the music that is now used, has taken away its very intent . Its supposed to be distinctive ( Just like the music for T/Arg is different )
Re: difference between chase in amer. and int. cha
Posted by DancePro
6/29/2010  9:43:00 AM
terence2-

-One thing right now that bothers me is that a lot of competitions are offering Professional American Style Quickstep. First off, I have nothing against Quickstep, but this is an International Dance that was not originally designed for breaking out of the Ballroom frame/hold. Peabody, on the other hand, is designed for separations and the like. I feel that if they want to add a 5th dance to American Style, why not use & develop a dance that was intended for American Smooth in the first place (rather than "borrow" another international dance)? What do you think?
Re: difference between chase in amer. and int. cha
Posted by terence2
6/29/2010  10:13:00 AM
I completely agree... its another sales " tool "..

I,m not against new ideas, providing they do not affect foundational aspects of any given dance ( that already happened in the Latin )

It reminds me of the day when we used to say "English " Rumba,the classic oxymoron ! .

Re: difference between chase in amer. and int. cha
Posted by DancePro
6/29/2010  11:13:00 AM
Is there other any way to contact you via this website?
Re: difference between chase in amer. and int. cha
Posted by terence2
6/29/2010  10:16:00 PM
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Re: difference between chase in amer. and int. cha
Posted by ME
6/29/2010  3:34:00 PM
DancePro. If there is another dance introduced into American Smooth would you again prefere it to be another of the Waltz Tempos or Foxtrot. Surly
Quickstep must get the nod. The Peabody I am not familiar with. Is it 50 bars a minute which is Quickstep Tempo.
Also I wish in the Cha and Samba the correct name which is a Latin Cross
( Toe to Heel ) is used instead of a calling it a Lockstep. This must be very confusing for a begginer who first learnt the Quickstep where the feet are not turned out and is an entirely different step.
Re: difference between chase in amer. and int. cha
Posted by belleofyourball
6/30/2010  11:39:00 PM
I dislike the Peabody and could see why it wouldn't be picked up. I have to say though that I don't know if Quickstep should necessarily become part of the American syllabus.

I like the polka. The good old fashioned unassuming polka. Why doesn't someone try and incorporate that dance back in? It has lots of room for flash and trash. Chains could sell the hell out of it and even the worst dancers couldn't butcher it too badly.

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