step fwd in CBMP and PP - is unnecessary? Socialdancer, In the foxtrot or waltz i would disagree as todays dancers are in a more closed positon with just there heads turned so they have to step forward in cbmp and PP to come out. Cheers

Sorry cdroge - a misunderstanding.

Polished was arguing that the link could not end in PP because, if it did, there would be no need to say the next step was in PP.

I was being facetious in saying that in that case there was no need to say step fwd in CBMP and PP after a telemark, but as we all know there is every need to say so.

A better way of explaining , I think is. In an Open Telemark we have three steps to reach a Promenade Position. In a Whisk also three. In both, the next step is in Promenade. On a Progressive Link we have two steps. The third step we take is the first of a Closed Promenade which allows us to step through the centre with our RF. At the end of the third step of an Open Telemark or an Impetus Turn from our bodies we have a V shape. On the Progressive Link we do not have an Open V shape. One where we do Open on the second step is after a Contre Check because our very next step is with our inside foot. We do not have the luxury of a step before Promenade.Theres something to think about. I think Alex Moore was aware of all the above. More likely he didn't want to tread on too many toes, so he didn't include a chart on the Link. There is a chart for just about everything else. The moral of the story is dont open up on the Progressive Link. Leave it for the next step which could even be a Whisk and a Brush Tap

"The moral of the story is dont open up on the Progressive Link."

Indeed, you should not "open up" the progressive link or any other promenade position.

But the second step of the progressive link is by definition a promenade position.

You still confuse yourself because you think of promenade positions as being opened - but they are not.

SocialDancer. You have gone from a Tango to an Open Telemark. This shouldn't be done. Simply because in the Tango we do not have the luxury of being able to turn over our right foot as we do in an Open Telemark which is a Toe and isn't a Tango step anyway. The Progressive Link and the Open Telemark are as different as chalk and cheese. They should never be used as a comparison.

I thought we had finished with this thread a month ago, but...

Polished, the original comparison between a telemark and a progressive link was yours on 12/7/08 when you claimed one was in PP and the other was not.

The open telemark is included in the IDTA tango syllabus and is described in Guy Howard's book. Technique is the same as waltz/foxtrot except no rise and fall of course, and the timing matches other tango turns as QQS or may be QQQ if preceded by a something like a reverse pivot counted Q.

Nothing has altered . On a Progressive Link at the completion of the Link the knees of both couples are in contact. The ladies right knee is behind the mans left and touching . and her left knee is beind but touching the man's right. Both heads are in Promenade. In the Open Telemark just like the end of a Four Step. I would be open.There would be two floor board between our front foot enough to step through with the inside foot in Promenade.

"On a Progressive Link at the completion of the Link the knees of both couples are in contact. The ladies right knee is behind the mans left and touching . and her left knee is beind but touching the man's right. Both heads are in Promenade. In the Open Telemark just like the end of a Four Step. I would be open.There would be two floor board between our front foot enough to step through with the inside foot in Promenade."

At the end of the progressive link, you have not yet taken the step on the outside foot. When you do take that step, you will have to take it with enough space that you will then be able to get your inside feet through.

Neither at that point, nor in the open telemark, nor in any other promenade do you adopt a body position that could in any way be considered "open" relative to your partner. To do that, to turn off your partner, is not promenade - it is simply BAD DANCING.

Anonymous. You've lost me. If I dont allow space for my inside foot to come throught the centre how is it going to proceed. I certainly don't step over my ouside foot, do I. Don't let us forget that each of my feet are both pointing the same direction. In the Waltz also. In the Four Step as the man closes the RF to the LF he at the same time turns the lady into P.P.
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None of this means that at the end of a Progressive Link we are open. If following the Link we were to go into a Whisk position. How bad would it look if we had opened at the end of the Link.

"Anonymous. You've lost me. If I dont allow space for my inside foot to come throught the centre how is it going to proceed."

As I just said, you do allow such space, but you must do so without opening your body to angle away from your partner, in this or in any other promenade.