I would ask you to go and see for yourself.
I doubt if it was meant to be spread over three steps. Lets analyse. You can't do any turn untill the end of step one, that is as the whole of the foot is on the floor. To turn at the beginning would be stupid and to turn your foot out on step one would be even more stupid. Step three is straight back down the LOD. That only leaves step two doesn't it. I doubt if the writers of the books meant it to be that way, but that is what they have written. My point is the books need to be re- written.
There is a poem which says.
And do not grouse when asked to alter. A step that you have taken hours to learn.
If you can and do not falter
You're a better man than I am Gunger Din.
Heres a bit more to think about.
We are dancing with a lady
The lady can't possibly turn on step, only at the end as the feet come together. So there's one gone. Step three is straight down the LOD. That takes care of three doesn't it. I think you will find that the whole turn is at the end of one. 3/8ths.

"You can't do any turn untill the end of step one, that is as the whole of the foot is on the floor."

No, the end of step one is when the right foot passes the left foot. This is long after the foot is flat on the floor.

"Step three is straight back down the LOD."

You are confusing direction of movement with alignment - they aren't the same thing.

Specifically, it is not clear that the alignment of the standing foot is already backing LOD during the time when step three has not yet been placed.

In fact, if you look at the given foot alignment of step two, it appears likely that the foot does continue turning during the earlier part of step 3.

"That only leaves step two doesn't it."

No, it leaves all of step 2 and also the earlier part of step 3 that occurs while the moving foot is still moving.

"I doubt if the writers of the books meant it to be that way, but that is what they have written."

And that is you mistake - you claim they have written something which in fact they have not.

Anonymous. Do you have access to youtube. If you have exactly how much turn do you see on step one of the Reverse Turn in the Foxtrot by Marcus or Luca.
As for your other comments. We agree that step one finishes as the RF arrives under the body. The same applies to the LF as it arrives under the body before stepping back on step three.
I dont think you saw the piece I added concerning the ladies steps. If you look at what she must do, there is no other way. We must be the opposite.
Concerning direction. Surely direction is with the feet . Alignment is with the body. It doesn't sound right to say align your feet and direct your side. The question remains. How much turn is there as the heel leaves the floor at the end of step one which is the man's LF. Don't let us forget that all steps to the side are taken from a toe to a toe. That will be news to some wont it. Go and have a look.

Polished, we have been though all this in at least two other threads. IIRC, nobody agreed with you then and they are not likely to agree with you now.

Instead of watching YouTube go and buy a new book and read it. Then see how many mistakes you can spot in your last post.

"nonymous. Do you have access to youtube. If you have exactly how much turn do you see on step one of the Reverse Turn in the Foxtrot by Marcus or Luca."

When danced in classic alignments there no turn during step one. The turn does not occur until after the feet pass, at which time we are talking about step two or eventually step three, not step one.

"As for your other comments. We agree that step one finishes as the RF arrives under the body."

No, it usually doesn't. Step one ends when the moving foot has passed the standing foot, but on a skilled dancer the body will already have projected beyond the standing foot at this time, so the moving foot will not pass under the body until after it has passed the standing foot.

"Alignment is with the body."

Absolutely incorrect. Alignment is measured in the feet. Look it up.

"Don't let us forget that all steps to the side are taken from a toe to a toe."

Ultimately yes, but they are swung forwards - the body swings gets under way before the standing foot has turned. For a step two swing action such as this both feet turn at the same time, and do so only after the moving foot has reached it's spot on the floor. You take the step forward toe to toe, and then rotate both toes on the floor so that your body can arrive with the feet in the new alignment.

Anonymous. I think you will find that as the feet come together before the foot passes is called coming into a neutral position. It is at this point that the heel of the supporting foot leaves the floor.
What is more important if you are answering this without having access to youtube you are not seeing what is. I will ask again . How much of the 3/8ths of a turn is being done over the left foot before the RF is placed into position to the side and slightly back.

"Anonymous. I think you will find that as the feet come together before the foot passes is called coming into a neutral position. It is at this point that the heel of the supporting foot leaves the floor."

Yes, but in a large dynamic swing the body is often beyond the feet at the time when they finally come together. The end of the step is formally defined as when the feet are together, not when they are under the body. On lower level students these will happen at the same time, but not in the more dynamic swings of expert dancers. Also many of the world class coaches ask that your heel be off the floor just before the feet pass.

"I will ask again . How much of the 3/8ths of a turn is being done over the left foot before the RF is placed into position to the side and slightly back."

That's a different question than you asked before. Previously you asked how much turn was done on step 1, and the answer is none. The answer is also none for how much turn is done "over the left foot". However, about 90 degrees of turn is done as the body is moving between the old position of where the left foot landed step 1 and the new position where the right foot landed step 2.

Most of the turn of the feet happens after the right foot has finished moving, during the time when the body is arriving towards the right foot.

Question to anymouse. Is there no turn of the feet at the end of step 1 ie after placement but before the feet pass ? There will after all be some rise before the feet pass.

Doesnt the lady start her turn on the ball of RF foot before step 2 ?

Incidentally where should the ladys RF be at the end of 1. Level with the LF (equivalent to the man) or half way towards it (given she is coming to a closed position on 2).

"Question to anymouse. Is there no turn of the feet at the end of step 1 ie after placement but before the feet pass ? There will after all be some rise before the feet pass."

According to most leading teachers the heel should break free from the floor before the feet pass, but there is not turn of the foot at this time. The feet won't really begin to turn until the second step is placed.

"Doesnt the lady start her turn on the ball of RF foot before step 2 ?"

Officially no, the turn is made between steps, not into step 1. However, backwards CBM steps are usually placed with some degree of turn (toe in), which is different from the execution of forwards CBM steps.

"Incidentally where should the ladys RF be at the end of 1. Level with the LF (equivalent to the man) or half way towards it (given she is coming to a closed position on 2)."

Probably about halfway closed.

The timing of the rotation relative to the closing in a heel turn action is a subject of some ongoing debate depending on who you talk to. I'm personally of the opinion that many people do not dance it with quite the action they claim to be using, and that what they use when actually dancing is different than what they do when demonstrating it slowly and purposefully. On skilled dancers, the habitual action used in dancing tends to be cleaner and more natural than the slowed down demonstration one - in effect, the body has more insight into how to execute it than the mind does.

If for example you meet someone who claims that the foot does not complete its closing until the end of the turn, and see them demonstrate that, you are likely to see their closing foot execute a little ronde action, as this is what would be required to actually accomplish closing to a standing foot that is rotating that far during the closure. But you don't tend to see such a disruptive decoration in actual dancing.

Anymouse. You say no turn into 1 - only between steps. But doesn't that allow for turn over the last half of 1 ie on the mans left foot whilst RF is swinging towards the passing position. I agree that the time it takes to get the weight through to the front of the foot for a heel release will limit the amount of turn during this period, but surely there must be some ?

Ive just realised that the CBM thing is something I've done without realising it, including the difference between fwd and bckwd. Do you have an explanation for the difference ?

The heel turn for the lady - what of the definition (from Guy Howard that a heel turn is commenced on the ball of foot) .