confrontation is one thing, being dismissive out of hand quite another. as you see, there was no comment made, just a restatement of a fact reported. it doesn't beg any question. if the original post had been an opinion, would there have been a requirement of a dreary bibliography, footnotes, or references?

i had hoped that the experts on this forum would point out advantages or disadvantages of shaping out of the lower back, or stated technical facilitation or hindrances associated with one or the other method, ie. making certain transitions easier, or preventing proper execution of steps.

'i had hoped that the experts on this forum would point out advantages or disadvantages of shaping out of the lower back, or stated technical facilitation or hindrances associated with one or the other method, ie. making certain transitions easier, or preventing proper execution of steps."

I had hoped the original article would be linked to see if it points out the advantages or disadvantages of shaping out of the lower back, or stated technical facilitation or hindrances associated with one or the other method, ie. making certain transitions easier, or preventing proper execution of steps

Chances are good you're not going to see the original article. If it exists at all, there may or may not be an online version. And if there is an online version, our anonymous friend seems reluctant to give specifics.

Nonetheless, as one of the resident experts here, I can attest that the original statement is more or less accurate -- or at least, the factual part regarding where the shape should come from. (I won't speak to how many ladies may or may not do this correctly).

Regards,
Jonathan

Something else that is never mentioned is a female who has a sway back or more of a curved spine than normal. Many of you out there have probably been involved in Polatis and know how important it is to whilst laying on the floor to get the whole of the spine in contact with the floor which when we stand up we can maintain.
Males , this also for you. Its all connected with correct posture.

if one follows up consistently, what is required is a slight forward weight distribution, toward the balls of the feet,flexed knees,an engagement of the lower quadriceps, just above the knees, a neutral hip girdle, a neutral lumbar region, a forward and up projection of the right hip, positive engagement of the right transverse abdominus, the right external oblique and, for our purposes, a positive extension of the latissimus dorsi to the far left, while keeping the left deltoid parallel to the floor, and left upper arm, at least parallel to the floor, or preferably level with the man's left elbow. this will result in a competion grade preparoty step, and won't do too badly during the routine either.

you can also have a look at the frame, posture, and poise exhibited in the videos on this site.

to be preemptive, i'm not jonathan's mother.

Dr Bronze,
Thank you for your comprehensive description of our anatomy. For those who didn't fully understand it, a simplified version is detailed below:-

The toe bone connected to the heel bone,
The heel bone connected to the foot bone,
The foot bone connected to the leg bone,
The leg bone connected to the knee bone,
The knee bone connected to the thigh bone,
The thigh bone connected to the back bone,
The back bone connected to the neck bone,
The neck bone connected to the head bone,
Oh, hear the word of the Lord!

I would love to read the original article. Just as a viewpoint. It's important not to take every word or view printed anywhere as 100% accurate or appropriate in every case.
Interestingly on the lady's posture, i've seen top teachers pushing up below the lady's shoulder blades (should i be saying scapulae?? )to improve posture. This may be to encourage engagement of the thoraccic region.
Also, more controversially, I've watched top dancers and seen the ladies bending back from the waist. People keep telling me this is an illusion. In spite of this warning i keep seeing it.
I've had so much postural problem myself over the years (i don't mind admitting it) that i'd love to see the original article if it refers to the man's posture.
I've been to physios and actually done a few dance steps with them in an attempt to improve my own posture. I think it's working. Slowly.

I believe its important to note that..the body alignment of top Pros in competition, are, to some degree, exagerated.. its all about " Lines ", and the common mistake , is for the average student to emulate those positions.

Also, the hand position of the Man on ladies back , has now returned to an original position ( in the 40s ), on the Shldr blade .

One would think that this would restrict somewhat, the upper body of lady, from the extreme appearance of bending from the waist .

If this keeps up, there will soon be a majority of real people posting on this thread ...

I'm not sure what telemark means, but in a curious way, the comment has motivated me to pass on a little anecdote, just in case there are 'real' people out there with time to read it.
As i've already admitted, i've had so much trouble with my posture (maybe i'm worrying about it too much - wait! - so is my teacher) that it's become almost an obsession.
I'm guessing, but i presume other dancers have a similar problem - as soon as i move, the brilliantly stunning frame and "dancing phil" is replaced by "supermarket phil".
So here's a little something which, by pure chance, i picked up in the gym. Another person was having a session with a personal trainer doing lunges (you'll have to look them up) and shouted "no - don't collapse when you go down - keep your posture".
My ears pricked up so fast i nearly fell off the cross-trainer.
As soon as it was polite to do so, i did some lunges in front of the mirror and checked my posture. I do them every time in the gym now. It's great practice for this aspect of dancing (which of course is the most important for competitive dancing). And it's hugely repetitive, so it's more easily learned.
I firmly believe that the most important/difficult topics should be tackled straight away. Whenever i see a novice dancer fretting over a sequence of steps, i'm inclined - politely of course - to suggest they at least do it with good posture.