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| I have one ( a copy ) which was done from my original.. so now I copy the copy |
| Actually.. it WAS written by him... the assembledge was done by other parties . The forward etc, , are by various luminaries .
If one writes a manuscript, bound or unbound-- YOU are still the author .
We should also add ( for those who may be unaware ) there are several controversial theories , which one can accept or deny . Always good for debate ! |
| "It is far more comfortable on a Whisk if the lady keeps her head to to left. throughout."
It is far more comfortable once she learns what can be learned by keeping the head to the left. At that point, turning the head to face to the right while keeping it positioned to the left also becomes a quite comfortable option.
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| The head position was not about comfort.. more a technical reason .
He determined that a closed head position assisted in setting the poise on the back foot, for lady , to be an advantage |
| "He determined that a closed head position assisted in setting the poise on the back foot, for lady , to be an advantage"
An advantage in discovering how to achieve that, yes. But once you've discovered how to achieve it, and drilled that into the body, you can achieve it while switching the head orientation as well.
Provided of course that the common mistake of letting the head change position as it changes orientation is not made - fixing that mistake and the undesired body changes that compensate for it is a part of what practice without changing the head at all does.
This is really right there in your literal words, "a closed head position" - the word "position" is key. Once that position is reliable, keeping the same position of the head but changing its orientation becomes a sound option, and one a lot more compatible with the usual assumption of what promenade looks like. |
| Getting back to the Progressive Link and whether is finishes open or closed.It is suggested in the book that it can be, from the Link, be followed by a Closed Promenade or a Natural Twist Turn. You will no doubt have observed that in both the first step is in Promenade. Which brings me to. Would we ask a person to open a door that was already open. Or to sit when they were already seated. So why would it be, if we were already open, necessary to put that first step with the words in Promenade. Only if it comes from a closed position at the feet. With the turn of the head for the lady the shoulders must open very slightly through necessity on the Link. |
| "Getting back to the Progressive Link and whether is finishes open or closed."
This open vs. closed is meaningless.
The step finishes in a promenade position, that's all. It's written right there in the description of the progressive link.
"It is suggested in the book that it can be, from the Link, be followed by a Closed Promenade or a Natural Twist Turn. You will no doubt have observed that in both the first step is in Promenade. Which brings me to. Would we ask a person to open a door that was already open. Or to sit when they were already seated. So why would it be, if we were already open, necessary to put that first step with the words in Promenade."
There is no "verb" in the notation that the first step is in promenade, merely a statement of fact. It does not tell you to go to promenade, it tells you that you should be in promenade. If you wait until taking the first step of the next figure to make what are actually the key promenade changes, such as the angle of the lady's back foot, you will be in serious trouble.
"So why would it be, if we were already open, necessary to put that first step with the words in Promenade. Only if it comes from a closed position at the feet."
No, not at all, it does not come from a closed position of the feet but instead from a promenade position of them. The notation of promenade is there merely to indicate the fact that it is in promenade, not to tell you that you should go to promenade at this time. If your book did not explicitly suggest precedes, this notation that the first step is in promenade would be a good clue that your preceding figure would have to be one that ends in promenade. |
| Anonymous. How can the man at the close of the Progrssive Link have the ladies right knee behind and touching the mans left knee, and the ladies left knee behind and touching the mans right with feet in line , heel off the floor and be in a Promenade position. Not possible. But don't take my word. Go and look for yourself, if it is not too much trouble, at the Learn the Dances on this site. That also applies to others who comment without knowing there subject.  |
| I promised myself I would not continue in this thread but it is obvious something is wrong somewhere.
"How can the man at the close of the Progrssive Link have the ladies right knee behind and touching the mans left knee, and the ladies left knee behind and touching the mans right with feet in line , heel off the floor and be in a Promenade position. Not possible."
Actually it pretty much impossible to do that without being in PP!
"Go and look for yourself, if it is not too much trouble, at the Learn the Dances on this site. "
No problem. The text description for both man and lady correctly say PP, and all the video clips also show ending in PP.
If you think that is not PP then perhaps you could explain to the world what you consider to be PP. |
| The Don/Quickstep/Serendipity/Polished character seems to be mistaking the fact that a good promenade position keeps the bodies quite closed to each other (and most especially does this before stepping through with the inside leg), for the idea that this is a form of "closed position" rather than the "promenade position" that it's actually defined to be.
Basically, what makes it a promenade position is that each dancer's two feet are parallel to each other, and intersecting the alignments of their partner's feet. The result of this foot alignment is that both dancer's knees can work in a forwards-type of direction into the step to be taken. And it's also specifically what enables the kind of close fitting with the partner's knees that was described.
This position of the feet is something that is true of either the promenade position with the outside feet in front, or the promenade position with the inside feet through and in front, and it's something that's usually untrue of non-promenade "closed position" where at least one foot is generally anti-parallel to the partner's. |
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