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Re: MODERN TANGO~ HELP!
Posted by Telemark
3/7/2011  2:44:00 PM
If you've actually read the ISTD Argentine Tango pamphlet intended for teachers, it's really fairly respectful of the concept and values of the dance, and very clear on the ultimate goal of improvisational flexibility.


I have it, and it is at least as good as any of the other societies' publications, which are aimed at a teaching qualification (and I believe the ISTD's attempt at that remains in preparation). But, inevitably, it is written (respectifully, as you say) from the perspective of a ballroom syllabus - tango is not that dance - and it cannot be approached successfully with that mindset, or you will find yourself dancing around the room planning to lead a 6, followed by an 11 (from step 3) followed by a 20. Fine for medal tests: useless in the milonga.

So its not so much the content of the tango pamphlet that can be faulted, but more that it's utility is limited to sharing a few starting point ideas that are sufficiently far from ballroom in character.


I honestly believe that you couldn't learn to dance tango using the material between the covers of the booklet. I have it, but I have never used it as any sort of reference. I'd go so far as to say that I think that the attempt is futile, however well intentioned. Someone with training in dance technique might be able to get something from within its covers, but tango is learnt in the embrace of a partner, dancing tango. There is no short cut.
Re: MODERN TANGO~ HELP!
Posted by terence2
3/7/2011  10:11:00 PM
One cannot learn to dance reading ANY book.. they are intended as a reference and guide, and that includes ALL the Rev. techn. books .

That misconception, that Vids and books will resolve " partnership " problems, has been promoted for ever.

Nuance can never be learned by the written word ,and Vids present a picture of the finished product, a "tool " to be used ,in concert with the normal Priv/Class lesson .
Re: MODERN TANGO~ HELP!
Posted by Telemark
3/8/2011  12:32:00 AM
One cannot learn to dance reading ANY book.


Agreed, but I didn't intend to suggest otherwise. What I meant was that the material within the covers of the book would not provide a sound foundation of knowledge in this dance, not that it was a teach-yourself-to-tango text that had failed to deliver on its promise.

The key point of my earlier post was that ...

tango is learnt in the embrace of a partner, dancing tango.


And I stand by it. Teachers have a role, and can help students to discover the dance more quickly, usually by correcting errors of posture, but in the Golden Age, there were no teachers, but an incredibly high standard of dancing from a very wide cross section of the adult population. Young men learned their craft by putting in the hours at the nightly practica, and usually danced as follower for a couple of years, before trying to lead. We teachers like to think that we are indispensible, but it is not so for tango.

And I know that this is s different issue, but actually there are circumstances where you can learn from the texts, but only having already learned to dance. Any teacher (alright, not any, because they might choose another path) who has already achieved membership of a teaching society by rigorous examination is likely to continue their study of the technique of more advanced figures largely on a self-directed basis. They have the foundation of basic technique, because the syllabus was carefully chosen, and they can happily carry on, applying their knowledge, which rather less input from their coach or mentor than previously.
Re: MODERN TANGO~ HELP!
Posted by belleofyourball
3/8/2011  9:48:00 PM
Sooooo Hernan...where do you live...and how tall are you?

Belle
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