Anonymous. Who said the shoulders keep moving and the centre does not. Sounds like somebody else I know. CBM is the action.
I can see now how you might have read that the move forward is instigated by the body. That is moving the body weight from the heel to the toe. From there on it's the leg that is in front and not the body. This has been completely misunderstood and misinterpreted. Again from a lowered position on three the man's weight will move from the back to the front of the foot which is about 8 inches, the knee is bending the body verticle. The moving foot is now being moved by the standing foot. Which if you like to think of it this way is moving away from the standing foot.At the extent of the stride we are balanced between two legs which are straight ( seldom seen socialy )and is on the heel of the front foot and the toe of the back foot.
The six positions over three steps three beats in the Waltz as written. Tell me which one is wrong.
You had better have a look at this one. You said. So you move your centre. your shoulders can come along but have to move less than your centre."" So you are moving your centre and leaving the shoulder behind. We usually see this from the man on the second step of a Reverse Turn in the Foxtrot. Big mistake by not bringing the whole side around and keeping the right arm exactly where it was when we started.

"Anonymous. Are you forgetting something here. With your feet on the floor to get the weight over the toes would mean leaning forward"

No, it would mean moving the weight forward while keeping the body vertical.

You are, at least I hope, equipped with knees and angles. Learn to use them.

"Anonymous. Who said the shoulders keep moving and the centre does not. "

You did yourself, Don.

I quote:

"So once again. We lower and flex our knees , bend, recharge the knees, call it what you like. We lower vertically and not horizontally. Keep the shoulders moving. Never actually coming to a standstill."

What have you said here?

You stress that the lowering is vertical rather than horizontal, which means that the center cannot be moving. Yet you also emphasize that the shoulders should keep moving.

Do that and you will lean forward.

On the other hand, if you do it properly and move your center horizontally as you lower, there will be no leaning on top of your partner. But to do that, you would have to be willing to try sending your entire body forward of your standing foot, something you still refuse to contemplate.

Anonymous. Just incase There is misunderstood here.. When the shoulders moves the sides also move. Standing upright, arms in dancing position turn your shoulders and keep your hips still. The spine is twisted. Nobody really needs me to tell them how the spine can get twisted or if it is twisted. Basicly the way we setup with our partners should be maintained throughout our dancing. As a man our frame is not to be twisted. CBM CBMP can be performed without twisting the spine. Take Latin as an example. Unlike Standard we move our hips without moving our top when we practice the Basic Movements. We wouldn't do that in Modern. In Modern our top and our hips do not work independently. In Latin they do.

Anonymous. The body moving constantly If this is a Spin Turn. On three we have Sway. WE must now come out of that Sway as we lower. Which is then taken up withe CBM. As you can see nothing stops moving. And so on and so forth.
I will quote from the technique book one sentance to be remembered. On the forward movement on any turning figure it is much more important to feel a forward swing than than a consciouse twist of the body. You did ask where in any book does it say not to twist, There it is then page 104.

"If this is a Spin Turn. On three we have Sway."

I sure hope not!

"I will quote from the technique book one sentance to be remembered. On the forward movement on any turning figure it is much more important to feel a forward swing than than a consciouse twist of the body. You did ask where in any book does it say not to twist, There it is then page 104."

That does not say not to twist!

It simply calls your attention to a different area of emphasis. You are really grasping at straws to read that as a warning that twisting is problematic. Especially as all authorities since then realize how important it is.

"Take Latin as an example. Unlike Standard we move our hips without moving our top when we practice the Basic Movements. We wouldn't do that in Modern. In Modern our top and our hips do not work independently. In Latin they do."

When you start working with more advanced teachers on a regular basis and gain exposure to the true actions of standard, you will realize that what you know of it right now is merely some approximations used to introduce the dances to beginners.

Actual standard tends to require more torso twist than latin does.

Take some private lessons with champsions and you might start to learn something... you clearly aren't going to open your mind unless you have to pay for the time.

After reading some of these threads I begin to see where because the mind is fixed mistakes can occure in a persons abiliy to reading correctly as it was intended to be read. How far do you have to extend your foot behind and go to the tip of the toe,that is the very tip. I can get the tip of the toe on the floor behind me easily in about five inches which can then move to about the width of an ordinary door frame. Because I said go to the tip of the toe some seem to think it means full stretch. The action can be clearly seen in pictures 1 2 3. Backward Walk.
Copy that and you won't be far wrong.

"How far do you have to extend your foot behind and go to the tip of the toe,that is the very tip. I can get the tip of the toe on the floor behind me easily in about five inches"

Sure, in that situation the tip of the toe has nothing to do with step size.

But in a forward walk, how far your back foot develops has a lot to do with step size - there can be no rule that is independent of step size.

Anonymous. In a competition the judges see more of the back foot which should show a neat line to the tip of the toe. This is the line showed by the lady as well as the man. It is actually a picture step.
Look at the pictures. Or look at your DVD's. Look and ye shall see.