"Anonymous You've got that one wrong. Put it this way. With NFR the lady will travel less distance than the man on that first step. In fact she has a delaying action which allows the man to pass. You also have the same action on a Wave as the lady prepares to step outside on the Feather. Its called No Foot Rise."

Don, you are not only giving a dangerously bad recommendation, you are being illogical about it.

No Foot rise would actually make you travel FURTHER than a rising action would, as you can make more use of rolling through your feet to get extra distance.

However, you must not outtravel your partner on a non turning step! If you do so, you will pass them... and then you will no longer be in a proper hold.

You may only pass your partner in a figure where you change places with her... which would be a TURNING FIGURE.

Some may like to dance the feather with a slight turn, but even then, that occurs between steps 2 and 3, not into step one.

So you are plainly and simply WRONG. Please go take some lessons and stop polluting the forums with your ignorance.

Anonymous . As usuall you've got it wrong. On a Feather Step the man does pass the lady after step one, The man rotates his body with the left shoulder leading. The lady keeps her centre and moves to the man's right with the man's right hip. This clears a path for the man to move outside and past. If you watch the man's belt buckle, as I have, you will see it points diagnal to the centre. Then it turns to between diagnal to the centre and LOD after which it returns diagnal to the centre on the collection point prior to the Reverse Turn. All of the above is with the kind permission of John Wood on his tape which with a bit of trouble I could give you a word for word. The words clearing path and going past is mentioned twice on the Feather Step along with Drive Swing and Sway.
You really should get your act together. When you said some may like to dance the Feather with a slight turn. You mean body turn or rotation of the body and not only directional alignment. Do you.
If the lady takes the same size step at the same time as the man and moves her body with it the man will not get past on the next step. Well he will get past because he will use his sturdy left hand to do so. Those who have the tape will recognise the words used.
NO Foot Rise will actually make you travel further. Surely you are refering to the step that follows. And where did you get a rolling of the foot on NFR. I don't think you know what NO FOOT RISE is otherwise you wouldn't say such a stupid thing
To go back to my original statement. The size of the màn's steps are not always the same size as the ladies. Anybody who says they are is a complete idiot.
Pleaser get some advice on this and pay us another visit. You might say thanks for that little bit of advice given which you will probably cherish. Thank John Wood that is.

"Anonymous . As usuall you've got it wrong. On a Feather Step the man does pass the lady after step one, The man rotates his body with the left shoulder leading. The lady keeps her centre and moves to the man's right with the man's right hip. This clears a path for the man to move outside and past. If you watch the man's belt buckle, as I have, you will see it points diagnal to the centre."

If the lady had a belt buckle, you would see that on a couple who knows what they are doing there is essentially no change in the relationship of the belt buckles to each other. They bodies merely rotate so that they are more sideway to the motion, but the man MUST NOT PASS the lady - if he did, his belt buckle would slip past her and they would be hip to hip, not in a hold in front of each other with a proper offset.

"You really should get your act together. When you said some may like to dance the Feather with a slight turn. You mean body turn or rotation of the body and not only directional alignment."

I mean that there is literally a turn to the direction of progression in the classic feather step, though it is slight. Rotation of the body such as occurs to establish the side lead IS NOT TURN - check the book and you will see no turn listed, despite the fact that CBM (body rotation) is listed.

"If the lady takes the same size step at the same time as the man and moves her body with it the man will not get past on the next step."

Which is exactly how it is supposed to be! Outside partner does not mean pass your parnter - I really pity the lady who has to suffer dancing with you.

"NO Foot Rise will actually make you travel further. Surely you are refering to the step that follows."

Both the current and next can be potentially large when you do not have foot rise. Rise and distance are a tradeoff - more rise, less distance, more distance, less rise IN THAT ACTION.

"And where did you get a rolling of the foot on NFR. I don't think you know what NO FOOT RISE is otherwise you wouldn't say such a stupid thing"

Depends on the direction of the succeding motion. Remember we were talking about a FEATHER STEP, in which case you most definetly roll through the foot that had NFR. In a natural turn, you would not, because that is departed via a sideways step.

"To go back to my original statement. The size of the màn's steps are not always the same size as the ladies. Anybody who says they are is a complete idiot."

Of course not - they will be different sizes when you turn - but only when you turn.

Please quit quoting videotapes and take some in person lessons... or simply go away...

Anonymous. Contadiction again. Your paragraph four. CBM is on any turn and CBM is a rotation and the Feather does turn. Its a wonder you didn't say twist or torque. Are we dropping that.
You've also looked at NFR since our last clash of words, have n't you. Roll the foot indeed.
Now I'll let you argue with John Wood. In normal ballroom position. In other words in relation to the man she is still in the position she started. She will keep her centre and as the man rotates his body to a left side lead, his right hip which the lady is on will also rotate this one to the right. ( both at the same time ) the lady is now to the man's right. The man has gone past the lady. I can't write it any clearer than that. John mentions the words going past. The tape is still available and is different to most because there are no groups but a lot of lecturing and solo demonstration by both the man and the lady.If you were to purchase one you may not like the amount of changes you would have to make.
Paragraph two needs to be looked at. The lady if she wore a belt with a buckle. It would be diagnal to the wall against LOD. After the first step is taken she will with the man rotate. The buckle would turn against the LOD. There will be no change in the posture but the lady will have been moved to the man's right. I suppose through that on this step the buckles could be joined. I did know one teacher who Glad Wrapped a couple together. John Wood on the Feather with the left shoulder lead and the rise doesn't mind if you say lift the left shoulder or lower the right. They are both the same. Interesting isn't it.

"Anonymous. Contadiction again. Your paragraph four. CBM is on any turn and CBM is a rotation and the Feather does turn."

Don, try looking in your book where you will see "-" listed as the amount of turn in a feather step.

CBM is a body rotation - but it is not a "turn"

"The man has gone past the lady. I can't write it any clearer than that. John mentions the words going past."

Well then he's wrong. The man stretches past the lady, yes, but he must not GO past her or they will no longer be in a dance hold. You do see that mistake made quite often, too. Her right hip must stay in front of his center - if he slips past her, GAME OVER.

Anonymous. I think you might be one of those who on the Feather go straight ahead. If you are you have no CBMP on the third. With CBMP you will have to rotate. You might be intested how one of those top teachers had a couple doing a Feather
He said do a Change Step as in the Waltz starting diagnal to the centre, Turn it practicly LOD and let your feet pass. There is your CBMP as well. That's how the Feather Step was born. It has the rotation it has the swing and it also has the sway. Maybe you should buy the tape. Everything I write is as I have been instructed. I do not make my own steps or technique. But I did go a long time doing it my way. But no worse than any of you.

"Anonymous. I think you might be one of those who on the Feather go straight ahead."

No.

"If you are you have no CBMP on the third. With CBMP you will have to rotate."

Yes, assuming you didn't begin the figure already having a left side lead which is less common but certainly does occur at times.

But that is all beside the point. What is important is that ROTATION IS NOT TURN. Check the book - it says to CBM, but it lists "-" for the amount of turn.

Anonymous. I got the video out once again. AFter the first Drive step here's where the trouble begins as the man prepares to step outside the lady. The man rotates his hip going past. The lady is clearing a path. Further rotation. The lady is on the man's right hip which is behind. All the above words are spoken and at the same time the steps are shown slowly.
Once again. The words used are. Drive Step.Collection.Moving to the man's right. Rotation. Further Rotation. Lady Clearing Path and Man Going Past. Collection. This is how my teachers teach and I suppose it would be no other way since they have lessons with John.
After that we have coming into a Collection Point, then Rotation of the shoulders to prepare for the Reverse Turn.
I know this one will go down well. After the Drive there is a Collection Point as there is at the end with a count of four and.
So there it is without mentioning the flexing of the knees.

"Anonymous. I got the video out once again. AFter the first Drive step here's where the trouble begins as the man prepares to step outside the lady. The man rotates his hip going past. The lady is clearing a path."

She is clearing a path by rotation alone: her right hip is directly in front ho of his with respect to the direction of travel.

He has streched past her, but he has not moved past her.

If he did, they would no longer be in hold, but would instead be hip to hip - a mistake you do often see!

"So there it is without mentioning the flexing of the knees."

The flexing of the knee happens as you lower to drive at the beginning of the first step.

Anonymous. You have no idea and do you actually dance with a person. Like a Lock in the Quickstep or the Feather the feeling is that we are going past. Do you ever do a Wave. As the lady steps outside do you have a feeling that she is going past and then to come back in line. I would suggest that you Sealer Tape or Glad Wrap yourself to your partner and do a Feather into a Reverse. I will repeat once again as spoken in the same order.
The man rotates his hip going past. The lady is clearing a path. I could give you the telephone number if you wish to argue it out with the person who spoke these words and also demonstrated. Do you realize how stupid you look when you said he is wrong. Even you can understand that if with two people in ballroom hold rotate clockwise one will finish in front of the other in relation to the ballroom . I will say that again . In relation to the ballroom. And will therefore have past. You even used the words stretches past. So does he stretch past or maybe he stretches behind, or not stretch at all. You might use the fore mentioned rotate. Whoever heard of a ball rotating and the other side staying in the same place. Your other best comment up to this point was that American Heritage Dictionary being wrong.
To continue. The knees flex at the beginning of the step. They also bend as we re-rotate at the end of the Feather ready for the Reverse. How's that for a describing word in dancing, Re-rotate. This will take care of your CBM. Phil. "This is Better than "Desperate Housewives !!!"