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Re: Our Circumference
Posted by Quickstep
4/25/2006  8:46:00 PM
Anonymous. The whole point of this excercise is to make a person aware that there are limits to the length or width of a step. Overstride and your footwork will suffer. Overstride and your rise and fall will disappear along with your posture. To go through it once again. Point the toe to the front and bend the knee. Then to the side, and the rear. Unless a person is built a bit odd this will form a half circle. Bend the knee some more. The half circle will become larger. These are the distances we can travell. I don't think that you are one of those who think the first one around the floor is the winner. You said. "So the possibilities are not even remotely cicular ". Not quite sure what you meant by that. A Spin Turn is very cicular, and how about a Double Reverse Spin. I think that Ballroom Dancing is a mixture of straight and cicular steps. First three Natural Turn. Wouldn't you say that the first step is straight. The second goes through an ark and the third step is straight. I doubt that anyone would not say that the second step, because my weight is on my RF. doesn't have a roundness about it. If it doesn't your left hip wont make it.
Re: Our Circumference
Posted by Anonymous
4/25/2006  9:10:00 PM
"The whole point of this excercise is to make a person aware that there are limits to the length or width of a step"

Yes, there are limits, but the primary factor determining the limit is the speed of your body at the time when you take the step. A step in the direction your body is moving can be fairly large (in fact it has a substantial minimum size) wheras a step in the direction your body is not moving would have to be very small indeed.

Drawing a circle on the floor doesn't really say much about where you can step, because you can't go any of those places unless your body is moving, and if you body is moving you can only go in that direction.
Re: Our Circumference
Posted by Quickstep
4/26/2006  11:12:00 PM
Anonymous. Bend the knee . Point to the side. That is your distance. Bend it some more. You will go further. A beginner who doesn't bend at all, the same rule will apply. Try to go outside your range will result in loss of rise. If you can go to the side with a larger step, how high on the toes are you as the feet come together. If like me you have written the telephone number, in case they get lost, under the shoe on the instep, it should be visible when I am on my toes. If you think todays dancer do not get that high on their toes I suggest you have another look.
Re: Our Circumference
Posted by Anonymous
4/27/2006  6:28:00 AM
Quickstep, all of your arguments are irrelevant because you must not take a step withouth preexisting momentum in that direction, and the size of the step is deteremined by the momentum more than by the standing leg action.
Re: Our Circumference
Posted by Quickstep
4/30/2006  11:33:00 PM
Anonymous. The standing leg is where the stored energy is. The more the knee bends the more energy there is to use. Like an elasic band , the more turns = an increase in energy.If you want to see how much the knee is used to generate speed, put the videos in slow motion and watch. The push by the way is not completed untill the whole of the foot is used right to the tip of the toe. Again look at those feet in slow motion.
Re: Our Circumference
Posted by Anonymous
5/1/2006  8:01:00 AM
Incorrect - there is no enduring energy storage in a bent leg. There is a very brief storage, but only on the order of "bounce" duration.

Ordinarily, if your leg is bent you must have either converted your potential energy to kinetic energy, or else lost it. If you don't plan on converting potential energy to kinetic, don't bend your knee. If you only plan on converting a little bit of energy, only bend your knee a little bit...
Re: Our Circumference
Posted by Quickstep
5/1/2006  8:18:00 PM
Anonymous. Do you have any tapes you can look at. It would appear not. I suggest you try to get a copy of an IDSF European or World Final where at least two of the dances are solo, meaning each pair perform on their own for the full one minute twenty. Before they dance as a group. We have had on cable , which I copied. All of 2002 through to 2005. I would suggest that in the one held in Russia ,the solo Foxtrot by Soale and Cersoli is one too watch for everything that would need to be known about the bend in the knee on the supporting foot. Richard Gleave was once asked how far would one lower. There is no limit as long as you can get up out of it. John Wood is one who gets incredibly low. If you have no tapes go to the learning center on this sight, choose Feather Step International Style. That's what it is their for. .
Re: Our Circumference
Posted by Anonymous
5/2/2006  6:13:00 AM
If you are moving like an IDSF finalist you need to bend your knees a lot. If you are moving like a hobbyist, you would be wrong to bend your knee that much, because it would not be in coordination with the other actions of your dancing.
Re: Our Circumference
Posted by Anonymous
5/2/2006  6:15:00 AM
You make a serious mistake when you try to copy some of the details of what finalists are doing, without the other details that would keep them in proportion. If you simply bend you knee that much, you loose your energy, unless as you are bending your knee you are achieving the championship body speed that would be in proportion to that amout of lowering. To do it otherwise is to be uncoordinated, and end up with your body in uncomfortable intermediate posititions which the champs coordinated dancing does not place them in.
Re: Our Circumference
Posted by Quickstep
5/2/2006  9:27:00 PM
Anonymous. Propulsion comes from the knee and thigh of the standing leg. Anne Lewis several times British Champion. As we all know that to bend the knee whether going forward or backward is to bend it towards our front, or if you like our partner. But don't get into sitting position with the bottom sticking out. We now have an angle between the foot and the knee as well as an angle between the knee and the pelvis. Now tell me what is going to be done with that bent knee and that angled thigh. Don't bother it is going to propel the body and the leg forward untill we have a straight leg at the front and the rear completely balanced on the heel and the toe. This can be confirmed by Alex Moore's technique book or any other.If you know anything about learning . It must start as being completely ignorant having no pre- existing belief of how it should be done. After arriving on a straight knee it then bends. More in the Waltz than in the Foxtrot.

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