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Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by cdroge
1/26/2008  9:37:00 AM
Dancing a reverse weave from promenade, should the feet pass under the body on all steps. How do you make the turns to get maximum sway .Thanks Dave
Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by Serendipidy
1/26/2008  3:13:00 PM
cdroe. Which dance . If it is a Waltz International Style there is no Sway. If it is Foxtrot also from a Promenade Position there is sway to the L. on 3 and 4. Sway to the R. on 6 and 7. Amount of turn. A 1/4 of a turn to the left between 2 and 3 An 1/8 between 3 and 4. Make 3/8 of a turn to the L. between 5 and 8. The steps in all dances are underneath your hip line
The amounts of turn differs in the Waltz. 3/8 to the L. between 2 and 4. And a 1/4 between 5 and 6. Do not try to turn the lady square too abruptly at the end of step 1. The man should lead the lady to move more sideways on step 2.
All of this is of course straight from the technique book. This is what I like about these questions. It makes a person research after which I will not forget.
Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by paul&dot
1/27/2008  11:06:00 AM
This might be too low level discussion for the big three or four of the thread, but the question appears to be originated from a beginner.

Serendipity wrote or quoted from the manual- ‘The man should lead the lady to move more sideways on step 2.'

I do not think the following is an uncorrectable error even if not 100% technically correct per the manual.

Dot says the man needs not to lead as much as to just to take a shorter step and allow her to pass and not step across and block her dance line In other words, her step 2 is more aggressive than the man's. In fact she prefers a lead on steps 1 and 3 but almost none on step 2. This may be a personal preference but stresses this leading to the new men she teaches.

Is she wrong?

Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by Serendipidy
1/27/2008  1:11:00 PM
Paul and dot. The most important thing that I have been instructed on is. In a Reverse Weave from an Open Impetus Turn in the Waltz Every third step is a side step and not a backward step. This includes step six ,which is on a third beat in the Open Impetus and also step six in the Reverse Weave. Make sure they are side step and not a forward step.
From a Promenade Position in the Reverse Weave, taking the shorter step is correct for the man. To quote John Wood. If in a Promenade Position both people take the same size step at the same time in theory they will never get around each other. That makes sense doesn't it.
A Running Weave which for the couple both turn clockwise is what was being spoken about and demonstrated on the tape. It is the lady who takes the shorter step. If she doesn't. He goes on to say that in this case the man will use his superior strength to get where he wants to be. To quote Len Scrivener. If it is uncomfortable it is wrong. That is in any move in dancing.
Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by Serendipidy
1/27/2008  2:30:00 PM
Paul and dot. I should have drawn your attention to something else which is important. The stance as it is taught today no longer has the ladies hips jammed into the man's hips. I think if you find something on youtube you will find " The right area of the chest of each partner touches that of the other ". That is a direct quote. Down below you could swing a brick through without touching any part of you partner. Again, once it is pointed out go and look for yourself. Good Luck
Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by paul&dot
1/27/2008  2:57:00 PM
From Serendipidy-Paul and dot. The most important thing that I have been instructed on is. In a Reverse Weave from an Open Impetus Turn in the Waltz Every third step is a side step and not a backward step. This includes step six ,which is on a third beat in the Open Impetus and also step six in the Reverse Weave. Make sure they are side step and not a forward step.
From a Promenade Position in the Reverse Weave, taking the shorter step is correct for the man. To quote John Wood. If in a Promenade Position both people take the same size step at the same time in theory they will never get around each other. That makes sense doesn't it.
A Running Weave which for the couple both turn clockwise is what was being spoken about and demonstrated on the tape. It is the lady who takes the shorter step. If she doesn't. He goes on to say that in this case the man will use his superior strength to get where he wants to be. To quote Len Scrivener. If it is uncomfortable it is wrong. That is in any move in dancing.

I'm one-third confused. The last two paragraphs makes sense.
Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by Serendipidy
1/27/2008  4:38:00 PM
paul and dot. Do you have a technique book. If you have Alex Moore and go to page 159 You will see the man's steps from a Whisk. You will notice that step three is a step to the side as well as step six is a step to the side .
It is very common for both of these steps to be taken in the wrong direction, especially step three which is often wrongly taken backwards.. The same alignments apply to the lady.
Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by anymouse
1/27/2008  1:45:00 PM
"Dot says the man needs not to lead as much as to just to take a shorter step and allow her to pass and not step across and block her dance line In other words, her step 2 is more aggressive than the man's. In fact she prefers a lead on steps 1 and 3 but almost none on step 2. This may be a personal preference but stresses this leading to the new men she teaches."

The lead the man will use is mostly in the form of sending the lady through step one towards a step two that he can then step inside of. It's not so much that he leads her step two, as that he does things during step 1 which set the character of her step 2, and then _he_ follows her actions such that his own step 2 is smaller.
Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by paul&dot
1/27/2008  2:28:00 PM
That says it all from my viewpoint as well.

Dot
Re: Reverse Weave from Promenade Int
Posted by cdroge
1/28/2008  4:44:00 AM
My question was how do top professionals alter the alingment to get quality sway not how to dance a reverse weave,but thanks for all the info. Question: If the pattern is the same in waltz and foxtrot why is there sway in foxtrot and not waltz. I have been dancing and competing for many years but being only 5ft 6in have always had a problem with sway.

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